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[Owlbread]

Whoever made up the list of states to file petitions was a Romney Pollster.
Colorado is not a state that would abandon the Union. EVEN IF IT WERE, it would not do so with Texas.
Montana is a better choice.
Play any game of creating a "new civil war" with someone from Colorado. They always lump it with the Union. Contrast that with Texans, who almost always go with the seperatists.

On to military nessessity...
I've stated before that I served in the US Marines. I enjoyed it and would do anything for my fellow Marines, EXCEPT violate my Honor. While it is sad that there are individuals that serve in our Armed Forces that lack Honor and require civilian Oversight to do the right thing, it isn't true for all of the Military. My oath wasn't to a "scrap of paper", but to a constitution. A constitution is a codified system of government, which can be written on paper, but also passed orally. I won't defend a piece of paper, instead I would, did, and will defend a system of government founded on the Rule of Law and certain principles of universal rights. I have no problem agrreeing to risk my life for them. It's easy to follow through when I am also supporting my brothers in battle, but the initial agreement was for the principle, and the principle is how I continue to look back and judge that I made the right choice. I did not violate my Honor, and as such joined a large group of men throughout history that can show that you can be a warrior without being a monster. It's sad that fewer people are "coming back with their shields", but that doesn't mean someone who has lost theirs or can percieve themselves without it has any right to speak for those who retain theirs.

Probably a damn POGie too...

It worries me when soldiers make no reference to the people in the country that they were actually defending and how that made them feel good, rather they seem to believe that their only activity during their period in the army was "defending our constitution and our country". More often than not they're defending someone else's country. How often do you hear soldiers coming back from Afghanistan saying how proud they were to have protected the ethnic minorities and secularists and women in Afghanistan from Pashtun Taliban oppression? You'll be far more likely to hear "I defended/served my country". I'm not necessarily disagreeing with them being there, just the general attitude.

[SealyStar]

Man, crazy ass sci-fi stuff has been popping out of the woodwork in the last 3 months. FTL, crystal energy (of a sort), practical synthetic hydrocarbons.

Christ, what's next? Cracking immortality by 2013?

You forgot the possible discovery of the Higgs boson.

[MonkeyHead]

The Pluto Express mission is due to get there in the near future, and The James Webb telescope is bound to find some pretty awesome things. The future being now is cool.

[FearfulJesuit]

And the future will be better tomorrow.

[Euld]

http://news.yahoo.com/arizona-woman-runs-down-husband-car-not-voting-045426220.html

Woman runs over her husband because he didn't vote, citing fears that Obama's reelection might lead to personal financial hardships... such has having a husband who was run over by a car.

You know what? it might be time for this thread to end. All we have left to do is (complain about|make fun of) the fallout from the election.

Obama won the national election with 332 electoral votes compared with 206 for Republican challenger Mitt Romney. Arizona's 11 electoral votes were won by Romney.

[GreatJustice]

Not seeing why secession is necessarily viewed as a bad thing. Put it to a referendum and see how it goes.

[kaijyuu]

Not seeing why secession is necessarily viewed as a bad thing. Put it to a referendum and see how it goes.

Imagine what would happen to Texas's minorities if they seceded.

[Leafsnail]

It's mainly just pretty hilarious to react to losing an election that way.  Kindof like the guy who takes his ball home after a goal is scored against him.

[Sirus]

Isn't there always one group/state or another going on about secession? This is nothing new.

@ GreatJustice: In other words, "Screw you guys, I'm going home!", eh?

[GreatJustice]

Not seeing why secession is necessarily viewed as a bad thing. Put it to a referendum and see how it goes.

Imagine what would happen to Texas's minorities if they seceded.

What happens to them as things stand right now, I'd imagine. The US has committed plenty of humans rights violations across the world already, I'd be surprised to see Texas one up that.

[Nadaka]

Not seeing why secession is necessarily viewed as a bad thing. Put it to a referendum and see how it goes.

Imagine what would happen to Texas's minorities if they seceded.

What happens to them as things stand right now, I'd imagine. The US has committed plenty of humans rights violations across the world already, I'd be surprised to see Texas one up that.

They already do. A black man in texas is many times more likely to be sentenced to death for the same crime compared to a white man. There are the "stop and demand papers on suspicion of brown skin" laws that are already in arizona and florida that are being strongly pushed for. High rates of gay bashing. etc.

[GreatJustice]

Not seeing why secession is necessarily viewed as a bad thing. Put it to a referendum and see how it goes.

Imagine what would happen to Texas's minorities if they seceded.

What happens to them as things stand right now, I'd imagine. The US has committed plenty of humans rights violations across the world already, I'd be surprised to see Texas one up that.

They already do. A black man in texas is many times more likely to be sentenced to death for the same crime compared to a white man. There are the "stop and demand papers on suspicion of brown skin" laws that are already in arizona and florida that are being strongly pushed for. High rates of gay bashing. etc.

Okay. So as a part of the United States, Texas discriminates against blacks, Mexicans, etc. This also occurs in California and New Mexico, so it's hardly unique to Texas. It's also largely irrelevant to the question of whether the people of the states should be allowed to vote on whether they want to secede or not.

[kaijyuu]

And without outside pressure, I can only see such things getting worse.

It's also largely irrelevant to the question of whether the people of the states should be allowed to vote on whether they want to secede or not.

Human rights issues are not irrelevant to questions of secession. Someone who lives in the United States should understand that, given our history.

[Darvi]

If they are allowed to secede, then with the caveat that individual people can migrate back into the States at a later point. Just because a theoretical majority would leave the country doesn't mean that the rest has to be affected too.

[kaijyuu]

If they are allowed to secede, then with the caveat that individual people can migrate back into the States at a later point. Just because a theoretical majority would leave the country doesn't mean that the rest has to be affected too.

Because migrating people out is easy, effective, AND doesn't harm those who are displaced, right?

*cough* trail of tears *cough*