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[Rose]

Generally going to college opens you up to new ideas, making you question things like church and the firery pits of hell and whatnot.

[RedKing]

Well, no. But it's no great leap of logic to think that a proper college education, with exposure to history, art, science, (i.e. the liberal arts) as well as being in close contact and forming friendships with a variety of people from different backgrounds, does have an effect of broadening one's outlook. At least, until they move back home. I've seen a fair number of folks from my high school who got college edumacated, but once they moved back to Podunkville, turned right back into closed-minded bigots. Lot easier to do that when the people around you agree.

[Trollheiming]

So do more liberals pursue education, or does education make people more liberal?

The education system makes them more liberal, because the professors are overwhelmingly liberal. You get taught what to think.

I totally get that you're masturbating over the idea that you're smarter than a faceless Other because you belong to a group that's more trendy among educated people. But the reality is that you're probably of average intelligence. Emphasis on group identification is not intellect. It's tribalism.

[lordcooper]

So do more liberals pursue education, or does education make people more liberal?

The education system makes them more liberal, because the professors are overwhelmingly liberal. You get taught what to think.

I totally get that you're masturbating over the idea that you're smarter than a faceless Other because you belong to a group that's more trendy among educated people. But the reality is that you're probably of average intelligence. Emphasis on group identification is not intellect. It's tribalism.

Serves me right for asking an honest question

[andrea]

I don't see what intelligence has to do with this.
the argument was about education. they are 2 different and mostly unrelated things. education may train intelligence, sure. but many things do.
what education does is teaching you stuff.

( just saying this because I am annoyed by people who say " oh, he knows so many things, he is smart!". no, just remembering stuff doesn't mean you are smart. it means, at most, that you have good memory)

[Trollheiming]

Well, no. But it's no great leap of logic to think that a proper college education, with exposure to history, art, science, (i.e. the liberal arts) as well as being in close contact and forming friendships with a variety of people from different backgrounds, does have an effect of broadening one's outlook. At least, until they move back home. I've seen a fair number of folks from my high school who got college edumacated, but once they moved back to Podunkville, turned right back into closed-minded bigots. Lot easier to do that when the people around you agree.

So they abruptly forgot their edumacation when they moved back? Lol. Either it's the education or it's the social environment. And you just said that it wasn't the education. What you mean is that people conform to their peer groups. Roundabout way of confirming that it has nothing to do with education proper and more to do with seeking approval of peer groups, but yeah.

[GoombaGeek]

what is going on now

if you all voted for the same guy why is there arguments

[PTTG??]

It is plausible that one option is better than the other, and that education makes you better able to collect data, filter out inaccurate information, and make decisions based off of that.

To clarify here, I voted for Jill Stein, so I'm not exactly Obama-biased, so I say this in the broader defense of liberalism; if you look at at the consequences of what conservatives propose, such as the austerity of Greece or the free-market of Somalia, or the environmental "regulation" of China, or the "respect" for religion of Russia... and compare that to countries and policies of a remarkably liberal outlook, such as Iceland's banking regulations, Britain's health care, Denmark's education system... you see a strong correlation between liberal politics and, to put it in the most generic terms, good things.

So perhaps there is a reason that better-educated people prefer liberalism, beyond a sad-sounding and obvious cry of conspiracy.

[Trollheiming]

Serves me right for asking an honest question

Sorry, but it's the kind of thing that misguided elitists smugly do ask rhetorically to pleasure themselves. I didn't realize you were actually being earnest.

[nenjin]

I question why this thread is still open. Post-elections, the arguments are going to be even less meaningful than they were before the elections.

Case in point, above.

[Reelya]

Well, no. But it's no great leap of logic to think that a proper college education, with exposure to history, art, science, (i.e. the liberal arts) as well as being in close contact and forming friendships with a variety of people from different backgrounds, does have an effect of broadening one's outlook. At least, until they move back home. I've seen a fair number of folks from my high school who got college edumacated, but once they moved back to Podunkville, turned right back into closed-minded bigots. Lot easier to do that when the people around you agree.

So they abruptly forgot their edumacation when they moved back? Lol. Either it's the education or it's the social environment. And you just said that it wasn't the education. What you mean is that people conform to their peer groups. Roundabout way of confirming that it has nothing to do with education proper and more to do with seeking approval of peer groups, but yeah.

Mostly they don't move back, because the Red States are hillbilly hell-holes. Those with potential move out of the backwards places, like Alabama, or India, to the places that offer education, then they get jobs THERE. Few people from Alabama who go to Harvard would move BACK to Alabama. A Harvard degree just wouldn't earn you the same money in Alabama as it would in, I don't know, a place that has money.

But there's a definite peer-pressure effect, even if you might know better, it's easier to go along with what everyone around you is saying. e.g. if you're surrounded by Klan members, are you going to stick up for civil rights? Uneducated peer group. I came from a country town and have a college education, but I wouldn't bother having an in-depth intellectual discussion with anyone from my hometown because frankly most of them are pig-ignorant.

[RedKing]

Well, no. But it's no great leap of logic to think that a proper college education, with exposure to history, art, science, (i.e. the liberal arts) as well as being in close contact and forming friendships with a variety of people from different backgrounds, does have an effect of broadening one's outlook. At least, until they move back home. I've seen a fair number of folks from my high school who got college edumacated, but once they moved back to Podunkville, turned right back into closed-minded bigots. Lot easier to do that when the people around you agree.

So they abruptly forgot their edumacation when they moved back? Lol. Either it's the education or it's the social environment. And you just said that it wasn't the education. What you mean is that people conform to their peer groups. Roundabout way of confirming that it has nothing to do with education proper and more to do with seeking approval of peer groups, but yeah.

A fair point. So then liberal peer groups encourage seeking more education? While conservative peer groups encourage....what, more Biblefication? Or maybe they shun education because they "know with their gut"?

[10ebbor10]

I question why this thread is still open. Post-elections, the arguments are going to be even less meaningful than they were before the elections.

Case in point, above.

Oi, that's it.

Also, a Hyptothetical question. What would have happened if the the economical crisis had never been. Were would we be know. What would the impact of [Insert name here]'s death have been...

[GlyphGryph]

what is going on now

if you all voted for the same guy why is there arguments

I'm pretty sure most of us voted for different people, actually. I don't think any candidate got a majority of the bay12 election thread vote.

[Darvi]

I don't think any candidate got a majority of the bay12 election thread vote.

Even though I keep telling people to vote Cfoofoo. Tututut...