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[Bohandas]

It is imperative that we twist and distort this fact into "Romney's ancestors were communists"

[kaijyuu]

There's actually some history in the mormon church of collectivist communities, but none of them ended very well :X

A man and his eight wives do not a collective make. 

Naw they did stuff like eliminate personal property and such too. Almost hippie-ish, minus the free love (just free wives).

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Technically speaking, it isn't even really a distortion. Collectivist communes qualify for being at least some forms of communism.

[Jervill]

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If the whole US fucks this up I'm disowning them... as soon as I turn 18 and can legally get my ass onto a flight to Toronto without my parents getting worried.

Do you really want to have Stephen Harper as your Prime Minister?
I hope Obama wins, personally, and it seems likely to be so.  And it's also likely the Democrats will take both my State House and Senate this year, giving them full control of the government for the first time since the early 1990s.

[Nadaka]

Democrats still won't have the us house. and the us senate may be tied or even lost.

[GlyphGryph]

He said "his State House", so I assume he meant state.

[Jervill]

I specified my State, Nadaka.  I was referring to Minnesota.
Nationally:  And yes, I know the Dems won't pick up the House, but the Senate, due to incompetence on the part of many Republican candidates, is very likely to remain in Democratic hands.  And there is a chance Dems will actually pick up seats.

[RedKing]

Most projections I've seen show 52-48 or 53-47 for the Senate, thanks to Todd Akin and a handful of other foot-in-mouth incidents in Senate races.

The House will stay in GOP hands, and may even redden a bit. 

So expect four more years of the finest Tea Party derp from the House and crippling inaction in Congress for the most part. Which will force Obama to use more executive orders to actually get shit done, which will feed more into this "Imperial Obama" narrative. 

[Nadaka]

I specified my State, Nadaka.  I was referring to Minnesota.
Nationally:  And yes, I know the Dems won't pick up the House, but the Senate, due to incompetence on the part of many Republican candidates, is very likely to remain in Democratic hands.  And there is a chance Dems will actually pick up seats.

you also said it would give the democrats full control of the govornment, and that part didn't seem state specific.

[SealyStar]

Mormons do embrace the protestant work ethic

So if you don't work hard enough to be successful and therefore glorify god, it means you are NOT glorifying god.

right.

I hate him more.

also, he's a Mormon. I'm going to assume that he follows the bible, same as other Christian denominations.
he appears to be the kind of guy that wouldn't care if the poor get poorer, so long as the rich get richer.

is he really a Mormon, or is he just saying that?

There hasn't been a major Christian Republican (i.e. 99.999% of Republicans) from any denomination in twenty years who has actually given a fuck about the various verses about wealth. All they need the Bible for is feeling good about themselves and defending their homophobia.

I would just like to suggest again that we go around to churches this Sunday to raise awareness about the Bible passages that bash covetousness and the rich.

You ever get that pamphlet designed?

Paste this into OpenOffice or whatever word processor you use (try to avoid using Notepad though, as it won't show bolded or underlined text)

Spoiler: Anti-Romney Tract (click to show/hide)

Mitt Romney says:

"There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you name it. That that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what.... These are people who pay no income tax. Forty-seven percent of Americans pay no income tax. So our message of low taxes doesn't connect...And so my job is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."
-Mitt Romney

--------------------------

But Jesus says:

34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

40“The King will reply, ‘I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.’

41“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

45 “He will reply, ‘I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

This is more or less final. For this tract at any rate. I might tweak the formatting a bit more, but it's pretty decent as is.
(BTW, If you want to save paper a lot of printers can be set to print four mini-pages {which you could then cut out} per sheet of paper. Just remember to paste the pamphlet in four times with page breaks in-between if you do that)

The Republican response to this is always to say "Jesus commanded people to give their money away, not to have the government serve as a middleman", and then "creatively reinterpret" the "rich man... needle" and "money... evil" bits.

[SealyStar]

Most projections I've seen show 52-48 or 53-47 for the Senate, thanks to Todd Akin and a handful of other foot-in-mouth incidents in Senate races.

The House will stay in GOP hands, and may even redden a bit. 

So expect four more years of the finest Tea Party derp from the House and crippling inaction in Congress for the most part. Which will force Obama to use more executive orders to actually get shit done, which will feed more into this "Imperial Obama" narrative. 

Ah well, if he's reelected it's his second term anyway, so he doesn't have to give a crap about "compromising his reelection chances".

More US presidents should have grown a pair in their second term, once they had nothing left to lose.

[Jervill]

The House isn't going to get more Republican, that's just very unlikely.  Redistricting was basically a zero-sum game for both parties because of:
A) Major gerrymanderings cancelled each other out: IL, MD, et. al. cancel out NC, MO, et al.
B) Some incumbent candidates can be very stubborn (One NC Blue Dog comes to mind, can't remember his name)
C) California undid a bipartisan gerrymander that locked in a 34 D, 19 R delegation for 10 years while the state moved left; there will be some Dem gains there.
D) Many weak Republicans were washed in during a wave year in unfriendly turf that are likely to lose. New Hampshire districts, MI-1, MN-8, FL-18, FL-22.

That said, some Dem retirements in very red areas will hurt (OK-2, AR-4), but it won't be enough to make the House more Republican.  Probably 10-11 seat pickup for Democrats overall, IMO.

[Reelya]

I hope Obama wins, personally, and it seems likely to be so.  And it's also likely the Democrats will take both my State House and Senate this year, giving them full control of the government for the first time since the early 1990s.

I specified my State, Nadaka.  I was referring to Minnesota.
Nationally:  And yes, I know the Dems won't pick up the House, but the Senate, due to incompetence on the part of many Republican candidates, is very likely to remain in Democratic hands.  And there is a chance Dems will actually pick up seats.

you also said it would give the democrats full control of the govornment, and that part didn't seem state specific.

He had a comma, so it was all a single statement, and he specifically stated that the Dems taking the state house plus senate was the proximate cause of giving "THEM" the control of the government. There was no mention of the Democrats in that section.

If you managed to work out that "THEM" meant the Democrats from the first part of the sentence which mentioned winning the state house / senate, how could you not interpret the dependent clause "them take control of the government" to mean state government? It seems hard to believe that this was referring to the federal government.

[kaijyuu]

This is quite the argument over a simple miscommunication.

[Nadaka]

Yea... I was just explaining why i said what i said, not arguing at all.

Anyway, are yall ready to play "is it racist?"

http://news.yahoo.com/super-pac-ad-buy-urges-african-americans-ohio-210436263--politics.html

This just in: Abraham Lincoln was a republican. That means democrats hate black people.