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[scriver]

I would like Clinton as president. I respect her, even if I don't know particularly much specific politicsly about her I guess. Still, as far as I know, she also carries a good reputation abroad as well.

[Nadaka]

I thought both Hunstman and Johnson were decent.

I would agree that of all the people to run in the republican primary they showed the most promise.

Huntsman was a "moderate" republic, who may or may not have been open to compromise. At the time he appeared less right wing than the other candidates, but who knows what he would have transformed into for the later part of the election. In 208 as I recall McCain started out as something of a maverick and then veered far right towards the end.

Johnson (who is still running on the Libertarian ticket last I saw) was a libertarian with a lot fewer skeletons in his closet than Ron Paul. I might even have voted for him, if we were not still so close to an economic depression. I agree with a lot of libertarian ideology (not counting the Ayn Rand inspired economic aspects).

I would like Clinton as president. I respect her, even if I don't know particularly much specific politicsly about her I guess. Still, as far as I know, she also carries a good reputation abroad as well.

I'm not that fond of her myself. She led a campaign to completely ban "mature" video games, despite the success of the voluntary rating system. She has had a few other gaffs as secretary of state.

[kaijyuu]

She's always struck me as a bit of a nutbag. Mainly due to the aforementioned video game thing.

Doesn't she have some flip flopping gaffs in her past too? I'm forced to listen to conservative radio and I seem to recall them harping on some stuff like that years ago.

[sneakey pete]

So, the Australian Treasurer just basically called the tea party republicans a 'bunch of nutjobs' who were prepared to let the country default to score a political point back at the debt limit crisis....


Does congress also get elected at this election? I'd say that the make up of it would probably be pretty important depending on who wins the presidency.

[mainiac]

Ah, well, there's a reason for that.  It's because they are a bunch of nutjobs who were prepared to let the country default to score a political point back at the debt limit crisis.

Does congress also get elected at this election? I'd say that the make up of it would probably be pretty important depending on who wins the presidency.

The US house of representatives stands for elections every 2 years.  The democrats have had some really great polls in the past two weeks but I'm going to restrain my optimism until the trend lasts a little longer.

The US Senate is divided into three different "classes" of 33 or 34 senators each.  Every two years there is an election for one of the classes, meaning every senator stands for election every 6 years.  The democrats had a good year back in 2006 so they are likely to lose seats just because they have so many vulnerable incumbents up for re-election this year.  But it currently seems that democrats are favorites to retain the majority and probably won't lose more then a few seats.  But it's both conceivable that they could lose the majority or gain seats given elections can be unpredictable.

I'd say that there is about a 80% chance that each party controls at least one of the three veto points, House, Senate and White House.  I'd say there's about a 10% chance of either party having control of all three.  But even then the minority party will be able to fillibuster legislation in the Senate because nobody is getting a filibuster proof majority (60% of the Senate) this year and you can take that to the bnak.

[Nadaka]

She's always struck me as a bit of a nutbag. Mainly due to the aforementioned video game thing.

Doesn't she have some flip flopping gaffs in her past too? I'm forced to listen to conservative radio and I seem to recall them harping on some stuff like that years ago.

She voted for the Iraq war and supported the invasion of Afghanistan and then later advocated pulling out if that is what you mean.

Other bad things she did: voted for the patriot act (twice).

She is an advocate for assault weapons bans (though a lot of democrats wouldn't find that to be a critical flaw).

[Glowcat]

Does congress also get elected at this election? I'd say that the make up of it would probably be pretty important depending on who wins the presidency.

1/3 of the Senate is elected every 2 years, and all of the House is up for election every 2 years. Usually Presidential elections cause a higher turnout for the Congress races as well.

[kaijyuu]

She's always struck me as a bit of a nutbag. Mainly due to the aforementioned video game thing.

Doesn't she have some flip flopping gaffs in her past too? I'm forced to listen to conservative radio and I seem to recall them harping on some stuff like that years ago.

She voted for the Iraq war and supported the invasion of Afghanistan and then later advocated pulling out if that is what you mean.

Other bad things she did: voted for the patriot act (twice).

She is an advocate for assault weapons bans (though a lot of democrats wouldn't find that to be a critical flaw).

Ah, that first one sounds familiar, so that's probably it.

[Leafsnail]

I agree with a lot of libertarian ideology (not counting the Ayn Rand inspired economic aspects).

Which is the part they push hardest.  And the part that will completely obliterate the poor.  There is simply no justification for pushing Randian ideas because they demonstrably do not work.

[mainiac]

Libertarians claim to be conservatives when it comes to economics and liberals when it comes to social issues.  But they always support the social struggles of the past  or future and never the struggles of today.  So they are effectively conservatives.

[Nadaka]

Libertarians claim to be conservatives when it comes to economics and liberals when it comes to social issues.  But they always support the social struggles of the past  or future and never the struggles of today.  So they are effectively conservatives.

There you run into the labeling issue. Ron Paul is often point to as a classic example of a libertarian, even though he does not really support racial, religious or gender equality.

But I think Leafsnail hits the nail closer to the head. Many libertarians tend latch onto the Randian free market zealotry as the core of their belief and kinda handwave everything else or even actively subvert liberty by endorsing states rights over people rights.

[Lord Shonus]

She is an advocate for assault weapons bans .

So's Romney. He rammed through a replacement for the defunct Federal ban in Massachusetts,

I don't approve if that, and I really don't approve of her anti-game record, but the former is a legitimate point of disagreement, while the courts smashed the more serious issue flat repeatedly. Those two issues aside, I think she'd be a fine President. She did an excellent job in 1992-2000.

[nenjin]

Romney was an advocate for an assault weapons ban. Now he's a presidential candidate.

[sneakey pete]

Ah, well, there's a reason for that.  It's because they are a bunch of nutjobs who were prepared to let the country default to score a political point back at the debt limit crisis.

He just said it in a rather frank way, is all.
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(eg, something that a politician of one country should never say about another countries politics)

[Zangi]

Ah, well, there's a reason for that.  It's because they are a bunch of nutjobs who were prepared to let the country default to score a political point back at the debt limit crisis.

He just said it in a rather frank way, is all.
edit: link

(eg, something that a politician of one country should never say about another countries politics)

But... its true?  Its not like the US is gonna go "Roar! I raise tariffs on Australian goods now!"