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Author Topic: American Election Megathread - It's Over  (Read 764114 times)

RedKing

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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #5445 on: September 18, 2012, 12:39:04 pm »

I've liked Schweitzer's campaigns in the past, and I absolutely loved the way he short-circuited ExxonMobil's PR spin of the Yellowstone oil spill.

Basically, being that he's an environmental engineer by training, he ran some basic math and called bullshit on Exxon's official estimates of how much was spilled. Especially because they way lowballed the initial number, then kept changing the duration of the spill (it kept getting longer) but kept insisting on the original lowball estimate for the volume. So he basically went on every TV and radio program that would have him and pointed out that basic math says that doesn't work. He didn't flat out call them liars, but he certainly insinuated that it would shocking for a professional oil company to not know exactly how much oil was going through their pipes, considering there are flow speedometers installed all along the pipeline.

He also called bullshit when Exxon's people said that the amount of oil in water downstream would be minimal and well within EPA allowances, and went so far as to offer free water testing kits through the state ag extension to anybody who lived up to a certain distance downstream (50 or 75 mi, IIRC).

And this is a guy who is generally considered a friend to the energy and mining industry (not because he's some rich guy with a lot of investments, but because Montana's economy is pretty heavily tied into mining and energy). He's sort of a best-compromise guy of being an environmentalist who's doesn't necessarily see big industries as an evil to be stopped at all cost, and tries to find a good solution for both sides.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #5446 on: September 18, 2012, 12:40:21 pm »

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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #5447 on: September 18, 2012, 12:43:46 pm »

Unfortunately, your link leads to a 503 error.

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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #5448 on: September 18, 2012, 12:49:22 pm »

What is this? Some presudo Republican spambot?
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #5449 on: September 18, 2012, 12:51:59 pm »

Some intern earning minimum wage to get Romneys name onto forums? Either way, polls are just lies, damn lies and statistics, regardless if they show something I like dislike, or a picture of a cute bunny.

Hi newbie, by the way.

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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #5450 on: September 18, 2012, 12:54:04 pm »

I think it is literally Mitt Romney.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #5451 on: September 18, 2012, 12:56:45 pm »

Quick! What is our favorite dwarf fort meme down here in GD?
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #5452 on: September 18, 2012, 12:58:27 pm »

I think it is literally Mitt Romney.

I have this image of a tired and upset Mitt Romney googling his own name, heading to forums the search returns and joining in arguments about why people should like him more in my head now.

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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #5453 on: September 18, 2012, 01:00:54 pm »

Quick! What is our favorite dwarf fort meme down here in GD?

Urist magma catsplosions?

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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #5454 on: September 18, 2012, 01:05:02 pm »

I was about to say hi to the new guy then I noticed his name was believeinamerica. What.

Who sent you, WHO DO YOU WORK FOR.

I think it is literally Mitt Romney.
I have this image of a tired and upset Mitt Romney googling his own name, heading to forums the search returns and joining in arguments about why people should like him more in my head now.

yes. The MITT graces us with his presence... >_>
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« Reply #5455 on: September 18, 2012, 01:07:49 pm »

Urist magma catsplosions?

Trick question! All the dwarf fort memes are stupid! Nadaka is clearly a democrat plant!
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #5456 on: September 18, 2012, 01:09:07 pm »

Urist magma catsplosions?

Trick question! All the dwarf fort memes are stupid! Nadaka is clearly a democrat plant!

Silly Cryptfiend, I don't vote for anyone without tentacles.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #5457 on: September 18, 2012, 01:28:03 pm »

Polls are looking favorable for Obama. He's up by around 3 points nationally in every major poll in the last two weeks, with the exception of one from Rasmussen, which has Romney by 2.

And at the state level, numbers are trending for Obama in Florida, Virginia and bigtime in Ohio. Wisconsin appears to be a tight race, and North Carolina is probably going back to the red column (and a Republican governor, and a Republican legislature....gods help us all)

Yeah...about those polls.  Other than Rasmussen Reports, most of them are HEAVILY skewed with a majority Democrat Party ID, matching or even exceeding that of 2008.  If you're expecting the same kind of enthusiasm from Democrats in 2012, I think you'll be in quite a surprise.

Rasmussen Tracking 9/15 - 9/17 1500 LV 3.0 45 47 Romney +2
Gallup Tracking 9/11 - 9/17 3050 RV 2.0 47 46 Obama +1
Monmouth/SurveyUSA/Braun 9/13 - 9/16 1344 LV 2.7 48 45 Obama +3
CBS News/NY Times 9/8 - 9/12 1162 LV 3.0 49 46 Obama +3
Democracy Corps (D) 9/8 - 9/12 1000 LV 3.1 50 45 Obama +5
FOX News 9/9 - 9/11 1056 LV 3.0 48 43 Obama +5
Esquire/Yahoo! News 9/7 - 9/10 724 LV 5.0 50 46 Obama +4
Reuters/Ipsos 9/7 - 9/10 873 LV 3.4 48 45 Obama +3
ABC News/Wash Post 9/7 - 9/9 710 LV 4.5 49 48 Obama +1
CNN/Opinion Research 9/7 - 9/9 709 LV 3.5 52 46 Obama +6
IBD/CSM/TIPP 9/4 - 9/9 808 RV 3.5 46 44 Obama +2


Yup, nothing but a bunch of treehuggers and potsmokers there. Thankfully we have the steadfastly (un)reliable Rasmussen to show us the Truth.  ::)

Your "evidence" is a blogger who rebalances all polls to match the house lean of Gallup and Rasmussen, which Nate Silver has pointed out have a distinct Republican lean. (So does Fox News, and it should be noted that both Fox and Gallup have Obama up, by +5 and +1 respectively). So yeah...when you adjust all national polls to match Republican-skewed polls, it's no huge surprise you get Republican-skewed results.

I'm with you guys...this appears to be a new evolution in spambots.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #5458 on: September 18, 2012, 01:30:31 pm »

That, and the Rasmussen LV sample is ridiculously Republican leaning, to the point where the September numbers claim there will be more self-identified Republicans this year than 2010.  That simply doesn't pass the smell test.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #5459 on: September 18, 2012, 01:36:52 pm »

Let's not flame BIA, even if he is likely a spambot/politicsbot.
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