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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #5145 on: August 30, 2012, 08:30:51 am »

When I was halfway through, I had to go back to the top of the page to make sure I was actually on Fox News. Eh, even them got intellectually honest journalists apparently.
I found it interesting that there's no comment section on this one. And here I was looking forward to seeing how much frothing rage you could fit onto one page.

And based on the archives, it looks like Kohn is FOX's token Democrat opinion writer, so they can claim to be "fair and balanced".
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #5146 on: August 30, 2012, 08:31:35 am »

Fox news online isn't as  bad. Its the tv personalities claiming to be journalists that really put a spin on things.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #5147 on: August 30, 2012, 08:38:27 am »

It's still pretty blatant at editorializing headlines. One of the thigns that always amuses me is how much banal, tabloid-type stuff they cover as well. Guess that must come from Murdoch's roots running the trashy Brit rags.


EDIT: I was gonna update poll data, but I'm gonna hold off until after the RNC, because that injects some ephemeral volatility into the numbers. And right now, they're running from tie (Rasmussen) to Obama +9 (FOX News). I'll do some of the state data though.

One development of note: Todd Akin's kerfluffle may wind up costing the Republicans more than just a chance at the McCaskill Senate seat in Missouri. Romney's lead in the Show-Me State has eroded a full two percentages points since Akin's comments, from +6.3 to +4.3. Only time will tell if the erosion continues and puts Missouri into play as a bona fide battleground state. Rasmussen's most recent poll actually has Obama with a 1-point lead in the state, but a Mason-Dixon poll over the same time period shows Romney with a 7-point lead. So there's something going on in Missouri that bears watching.

New poll puts North Carolina in a dead heat, tied at 43 (which leaves 14% undecided, a pretty big chunk).
Florida running at Obama +4, Nevada at Obama +3, Colorado at Obama +3, Wisconsin at Obama +3.

Latest Ohio and Michigan polls also put them at a tie, 45-all and 47-all, respectively.

Overall, things still look favorable for the President. If there's a lack of significant traction coming out of the RNC, and the Democrats don't commit any major gaffes at the DNC, it's going to get increasingly difficult for the Republicans. The number of opinions that remain truly "on the fence" and open to persuasion is steadily decreasing. The Democrats can essentially play like a team with a one-goal lead and try to run out the clock -- which is dangerous, because it makes you reactive rather than proactive and surrenders the initiative. Also means the GOP will grow increasingly desperate and could pull out some jaw-dropping dirty tricks as this goes down the road.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #5148 on: August 30, 2012, 08:57:13 am »

It's still pretty blatant at editorializing headlines. One of the thigns that always amuses me is how much banal, tabloid-type stuff they cover as well. Guess that must come from Murdoch's roots running the trashy Brit rags.


EDIT: I was gonna update poll data, but I'm gonna hold off until after the RNC, because that injects some ephemeral volatility into the numbers. And right now, they're running from tie (Rasmussen) to Obama +9 (FOX News).

One development of note: Todd Akin's kerfluffle may wind up costing the Republicans more than just a chance at the McCaskill Senate seat in Missouri. Romney's lead in the Show-Me State has eroded a full two percentages points since Akin's comments, from +6.3 to +4.3. Only time will tell if the erosion continues and puts Missouri into play as a bona fide battleground state. Rasmussen's most recent poll actually has Obama with a 1-point lead in the state, but a Mason-Dixon poll over the same time period shows Romney with a 7-point lead. So there's something going on in Missouri that bears watching.

Quite frankly, Akin would have won Missouri by running no ads and participating in no debates before his stupid statement. All Republican candidates (him to a lesser extent) were leading McCaskill quite commandingly during the primary, and he's managed to turn that around. I wouldn't be surprised if that affects Romney's campaign as well.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #5149 on: August 30, 2012, 11:34:02 am »

RedKing, if you are going to post polls would you mind saying who they are from?  Pollsters tend to have really strong house effects.  They need to make a lot of demographic assumptions about turnout and interpreting the very small percentage of people who are willing to participate in polling.  If PPP reports a tie then that probably means Obama is trailing.  If Gallup reports a tie then that probably means that Romney is trailing.  So the pollster matters nearly as much as the results.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #5150 on: August 30, 2012, 11:40:41 am »

Those were mostly aggregate averages, IIRC. Sorry, I wasn't really intending to do a formal poll update. I'll be more rigorous on Monday when the batch of weekend polls are released.
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« Reply #5151 on: August 30, 2012, 12:11:41 pm »

I'd say PPP is probably the most reliable general pollster, though there is no perfect one.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #5152 on: August 30, 2012, 12:53:05 pm »

mainiac's right, PPP has a Democratic lean. Rasmussen has not so much a Republican lean as a "momentum bias". If there's been a shift in support, they tend to overrrepresent that swing. If there's been relatively little change, they often over-represent the front-runner. If the "smart money" is on a particular candidate, they over-represent that candidate. It's the weirdest dammn thing, and I know Nate Silver has dissected it five ways from Sunday trying to figure out what the deal is there, although he's found that it balances out and on the whole they have only a mild (R) lean.
Needless to say, I take Rasmussen numbers with an entire salt lick.

Per Silver's analysis, CNN is generally the most "neutral" of the major pollsters. Pew has the heaviest D-lean, and Gallup the heaviest R-lean, at least in this cycle.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #5153 on: August 30, 2012, 10:49:58 pm »

Anyone watch the last night of the RNC?

Romney's 'Five Point Plan' was the most laughable bit of campaign rhetoric horseshit I've ever seen.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #5154 on: August 30, 2012, 10:53:39 pm »

Please, summarize it for us plebs who didn't see it.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #5155 on: August 30, 2012, 10:57:09 pm »

And to convince our one closet Republican he's wrong!
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #5156 on: August 31, 2012, 02:36:41 am »

More RNC fun...

When a reporter asked Sheldon Adelson how much money he was going to spend on the election this year, his daughter responded for him by wrestling their camera away, throwing it on the ground, and accusing the cameraman of hitting her.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #5157 on: August 31, 2012, 07:40:30 am »

Anybody else catch the Clint Eastwood speech? It was sad to see such a good guy like that. On the one hand, he had the most moderate comments of the night. It wasn't tough-guy rhetoric or posturing, it was basically "The President has had four years to do it his way, I don't feel that it's worked, maybe it's time for someone else to try." A reasonable statement of disagreement.

On the other hand, he was incoherent and stumbling over his words like a bad Jimmy Stewart impression. I know he's 82, but I thought he was in better shape than that.  :-\


That was the only part of the convention I watched.
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« Reply #5158 on: August 31, 2012, 09:34:52 am »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHVJWg5ikcg

Then he goes on to whine about how Obama has raised taxes on the middle class then says he will defend fetuses from that damn socialist Kenyan from scraping them out and eating them, or whatever. The fun part about his cute little 12 million jobs number is, it was being predicted that the economy would create that in the next four years during recovery either way, regardless of who is sitting in the oval office.

This R campaign is the most ludicrous shit I've ever seen in my life. He advocated being adversarial towards not only China, but Russia, also known as the other superpowers of the modern world that we happen to trade with. He induced people towards war with Iran. Urged America to continue the retarded fucking mentality that made this movie.

He's a Cold War leftover and he needs to be removed from the populace and go back to his gated communities. I feel like they had Clint on stage to distract our jackoff media from the fact that his speech had absolutely no substance and was incredibly divisive and dark, but whatever.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #5159 on: August 31, 2012, 09:45:13 am »

Anybody else catch the Clint Eastwood speech? It was sad to see such a good guy like that. On the one hand, he had the most moderate comments of the night. It wasn't tough-guy rhetoric or posturing, it was basically "The President has had four years to do it his way, I don't feel that it's worked, maybe it's time for someone else to try." A reasonable statement of disagreement.

On the other hand, he was incoherent and stumbling over his words like a bad Jimmy Stewart impression. I know he's 82, but I thought he was in better shape than that.  :-\


That was the only part of the convention I watched.

Funny thing, that. Clint strolled onto the stage and basically rambled for 10 minutes straight, made two anti war jokes, said something about libertarians, and received a better applause than the Republican nominee. Certainly not a good sign for 'ol Willard.
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