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[Mictlantecuhtli]

Uh.

I have a copy of A. C. Grayling's Humanist Bible in my bedroom. I haven't read it entirely yet... But I think it counts.

I mean actual religious texts, not modern day Humanist writings. I've never read it, though.

[Descan]

Uh.

I have a copy of A. C. Grayling's Humanist Bible in my bedroom. I haven't read it entirely yet... But I think it counts.

I mean actual religious texts, not modern day Humanist writings. I've never read it, though.

Well it's based on writings from philosophers, and yes, religious writers through the ages. At least, that's what it says on the blurb. xD

But yeah, it's a recent publication... but then, so is science. You take what you can get, right?

[RedKing]

I think it's bullshit to say that because a hospital is funded by the Catholic church, it's inherently unscientific. Ditto for the hundreds of Catholic (and other denomination-affiliated) universities. Even publications. Christian Science is as wacky and unscientific a sect as you get IMHO, but they are responsible for the Christian Science Monitor, a pre-eminent, rigorous journal which is one of the best political science rags out there.

Heck, even the Mormons have made some tremendous contributions in the areas of genealogy and DNA sequencing, thanks to their odd dogmatic obsession with tracing family trees and retroactively converting one's dead ancestors. You don't have to believe in the religion motivating these things to appreciate the end results.

[Mictlantecuhtli]

I really didn't think it was necessary for me to explain that that isn't how every single one of those institutions worked, because that's pretty damn obvious and I don't go defending unneeded points. What I'm saying is, in the cases of hospitals such as the previous linked, there are a good chunk of those institutions that value dogma more than actual medicine, and if you don't see that, I'm a bit baffled.

Being religious doesn't mean you can't be scientific and or medically knowledgeable, it's when the religiousness impedes on their actual contribution to their field that it should be taken into very large consideration that maybe in modern day medicine religions should have zero to do with any of it.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

I think it's bullshit to say that because a hospital is funded by the Catholic church, it's inherently unscientific. Ditto for the hundreds of Catholic (and other denomination-affiliated) universities. Even publications. Christian Science is as wacky and unscientific a sect as you get IMHO, but they are responsible for the Christian Science Monitor, a pre-eminent, rigorous journal which is one of the best political science rags out there.

Heck, even the Mormons have made some tremendous contributions in the areas of genealogy and DNA sequencing, thanks to their odd dogmatic obsession with tracing family trees and retroactively converting one's dead ancestors. You don't have to believe in the religion motivating these things to appreciate the end results.

And yet, even when they do get results, religions still do bad things with them, such as listing other people's dead relatives and holocaust victims as Mormons without consent.

Plus, Christian Science, if I recall, is all about the faith healing. I have to say that I won't ever stop doubting the Christian Science Monitor because of that, even if they haven't done anything bad so far.

There's always an ulterior motive. Religious institutions have long since proven that they are untrustworthy to a fault when it comes to matters of science.

[mainiac]

Do other religions have a problem with Mormons baptizing the dead in absentia?  My take on the fact that the Mormons will someday baptize a little piece of paper with my name on it is that it has zero bearing on my faith.

[Aqizzar]

Well, this sure didn't take long.

I have no one but myself to blame for "policing" this thread, but it's hard to think why I should bother, when it's going to come back around to this every two days.

And now you know why they call them political junkies.

[Mego]

Well, this sure didn't take long.

I have no one but myself to blame for "policing" this thread, but it's hard to think why I should bother, when it's going to come back around to this every two days.

And now you know why they call them political junkies.

QFT. This is a thread for discussing the upcoming American elections. Not for bitching about every little thing you don't like in the world that can be tangentially tied to the elections. There's a place for that. It's called /b/.

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Look at this thread. Now back at yourself. Now back at this thread. Now back at yourself. You are not on 4chan. You are on Bay12, a much-superior forum site in intelligence to 4chan.



Paul Ryan is shirtless.

[Nadaka]

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/obama-holds-lead-ohio-slips-florida-wisconsin-poll-104836458.html

Obama is starting to fall in Florida and Wisconsin, but not Ohio.

I for one have done my part to counter that trend by bringing 4 voters (myself included) into the state of Florida, not much more that I can do.

[palsch]

Fear of a Black President.

There is no shorter version. Worth the time to read it all.

[RedKing]

Some new aggregate poll data:

Claire McCaskell is now up by +10 in her Senate race against Todd "Legitimate Rape" Akin. Now that the national GOP and the biggest superPACs have cut off the funding spigot, this will likely widen over the remaining months.

Battleground state polls (with margin of change since my last poll roundup on 8/16)

Ohio: Obama +2 (-1.0)
Florida: TIE (-1.0)
Wisconsin: Obama +1.4 (-3.1)
Virginia: Obama +2 (+1.3)
North Carolina/Colorado: No new poll data -- NO CHANGE

Obama national margin today: +1.5
Obama national margin this date in 2008: +1.6
Kerry national margin this date in 2004: +0.7

RCP's electoral map shows a drop in the "safe" Obama electoral votes from 231 to 221, because Michigan is now considered "in play", despite polls showing a 5-9 point advantage for Obama.

[Leafsnail]

Michigan's average on RCP (Obama +3.8) seems to be skewed by Baydoun/Foster (D) reporting Romney +4, while every other polling company says Obama +5/6.  They did seem to have the biggest sample, but as it links to Fox News I'm not trusting it.

So if you add Michigan's 16 places back on that gives Obama 237.  Which would leave him in the position of win Florida plus any other swing state to win.

[Nadaka]

except that florida is looking like a nearly dead heat right now

[Leafsnail]

Yeah, that's why I said he has to win it?

[Nadaka]

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/signal/signs-point-romney-victory-except-one-very-big-160549179.html