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[Urist_McDrowner]

To sig, the impossible sig.

Selected segments, of course, like where he refuses to provide sources to prevent me taking apart those sources on a factual basis.

[Reelya]

What are you talking about, both videos i provided say 2037 and neither of them have anything about dates at 2:32 in.

Lying about sources which can very easily be checked because they're linked on this very page doesn't do your side any good.

[Urist_McDrowner]

What are you talking about, both videos i provided say 2037 and neither of them have anything about dates at 2:32 in.

I was talking about the video I cited. Regardless of this Unix bug that actually happens a few weeks into January, and not in 2037, though I don't know how it works.

[scriver]

To be fair, Greece has a lot of Communists, Anarchists, and Fascists who all hate each other, the moderates, and the government, along with a history of civil instability. To say that it is a volatile situation is an understatement.

And literally the most irresponsible government (and people, in extension) in recorded history. I don't think it's comparable to the US in any way, the US keeps cutting taxes to the point of them being almost non-existent.

To sig, the impossible sig.

Selected segments, of course, like where he refuses to provide sources to prevent me taking apart those sources on a factual basis.

I don't think you have done anything like that so far, so I'm not sure that is what would happen anyway. From what I have seen so far, your post history contains more of dodging points, leading the arguments away from what was being discussed, or just ignoring or otherwise not answering to people's posts/points completely. Not exactly straight forward discussion.

[Urist_McDrowner]

And literally the most irresponsible government (and people, in extension) in recorded history. I don't think it's comparable to the US in any way, the US keeps cutting taxes to the point of them being almost non-existent.

http://money.cnn.com/2012/03/27/pf/taxes/corporate-taxes/index.htm

Darn facts again!


Anyway, I'm arguing against five people at once. Give me the benefit of the doubt, and repost points you think I've missed.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Regardless of this Unix bug that actually happens a few weeks into January, and not in 2037, though I don't know how it works.

To the computer, time is kept by the number of seconds since January 1st, 1970. On 03:14:08, January 17th, 2038, the binary for the number of seconds that has passed will have to add a 33rd bit, but will fail to do so as the system can only recognize 32 bits of binary. This will cause an integer overflow and the system will begin reading the time as a negative value, placing the year in 1901 instead of 2038.

Unfortunately, 2038 is only when the very last instances of this problem will arise. It will start for the computers with the shortest remaining time in about 2018.

Anyway, I'm arguing against five people at once. Give me the benefit of the doubt, and repost points you think I've missed.

Five? Reelya, maniac, and scriver makes three. I haven't been arguing anything since I think we're financially screwed no matter what path we take, but if you did count me that would still only make four.

[Urist_McDrowner]

Five? Reelya, maniac, and scriver makes three. I haven't been arguing anything since I think we're financially screwed no matter what path we take, but if you did count me that would still only make four.

Twas an exaggeration. The point is, I'm playing a consultation team here.

[scriver]

And literally the most irresponsible government (and people, in extension) in recorded history. I don't think it's comparable to the US in any way, the US keeps cutting taxes to the point of them being almost non-existent.

http://money.cnn.com/2012/03/27/pf/taxes/corporate-taxes/index.htm

Darn facts again!

Are you saying corporate taxes are the only taxes in the US, and (or perhaps or?) that there has been no tax cuts during the new century? Because otherwise, I don't see how that link is relevant to what I said at all.

[Urist_McDrowner]

And literally the most irresponsible government (and people, in extension) in recorded history. I don't think it's comparable to the US in any way, the US keeps cutting taxes to the point of them being almost non-existent.

http://money.cnn.com/2012/03/27/pf/taxes/corporate-taxes/index.htm

Darn facts again!

Are you saying corporate taxes are the only taxes in the US, and (or perhaps or?) that there has been no tax cuts during the new century? Because otherwise, I don't see how that link is relevant to what I said at all.

A 40% tax rate is far from non-existant, wouldn't you agree? How about a 35% top income tax rate?

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Corporate taxes don't do much in the big picture. Income tax is where the real money comes in, and US income tax history has been....interesting. In 1952 and 1953 the top income tax rate was 92%. I can only imagine what words would be exchanged if such a rate was suggested today.

[Reelya]

Loopholes and other special treatment for different kinds of businesses mean that businesses pay an effective rate of only 29.2% of their income, which puts the United States below the average of 31.9% among other major economies, according to analysis by the Treasury Department.

Source: your source. Which says that even with the nominally "highest" corporate taxes, American corporations pay below-average actual taxes.

[Heron TSG]

Wait a second, let me get this one straightened out.

January 1, 1970, presumably 0:00 - 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 (or 0 base 10)
January 17, 2038, 3:14:08 - 11111111 11111111 11111111 11111111 (or 4,294,967,296 base 10)

January 17, 2038, 3:14:09 - 1 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000, but the one instead carries to the carry register. Which means that technically speaking, nothing extraordinary will happen for another second after 2^32 is reached. Not really the point, though. So, let's walk through this.

0 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 - fine and dandy.
0 11111111 11111111 11111111 11111111 - fine and dandy.
1 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 - fine and dandy.
1 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000001 - fine and dandy.
1 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000010 - Can't happen. Instead, the counter will reset to....

0 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000001 - but with the Overflow flag raised. This signals a negative number. If they use a One's Compliment system, which would be absurd, the time would be effectively read as:

-1 11111111 11111111 11111111 11111110 - Or about October, 1698. With 2's compliment, the time changes very slightly, but you don't worry much about negative zeroes. Those are absurd. It would simply change to...

-0, which is the same as +0 with a one's compliment. What do you get 0 seconds after January 1st, 1970?

January 1st, 1970. Not 'OH MY SWEET JESUS THE COMPUTERS ARE ON FIRE!'.

January 1st, 1970. That can be accounted for, the error rectified. Hell, just use a 64 bit computer. If you're still running into the issue 2^64 years later, upgrade your system in that timeframe.

Spoiler: Disclaimer (click to show/hide)

It is past midnight and I am tired. I might be mixing up one's and two's compliments, and as such what I am saying could be switched around. This is also assuming that the embedded counters for computing systems contain standard carry and sign flag registers. This is also assuming that 1970 is the 'zero' date, and they didn't pick some arbitrary number like 1900 as zero and waste a bunch of seconds. This is also assuming that I am fully remembering my microprocessors notes while running on 4 hours of sleep.

Good night everyone, I'll sort this out in the morning, inconsequential as it is to the subject of this thread.   

[Urist_McDrowner]

It is sad times where I must reject the treasury department. ATF and the DOJ have proven Obama's not above cooking the books or using government agencies as political tools. Nevertheless, I accept the conclusion, that they pay less than the nominal rate.

The secret to how those high tax rates existed was the capital gains tax.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_gains_tax_in_the_United_States#History_of_capital_gains_tax_in_the_U.S.

Beginning in 1942, taxpayers could exclude 50 percent of capital gains on assets held at least six months or elect a 25 percent alternative tax rate if their ordinary tax rate exceeded 50 percent.

So in reality, it was more like 25%.

[Drunken]

Yay taxation being discussed. don't forget to mention estate tax.

[scriver]

And literally the most irresponsible government (and people, in extension) in recorded history. I don't think it's comparable to the US in any way, the US keeps cutting taxes to the point of them being almost non-existent.

http://money.cnn.com/2012/03/27/pf/taxes/corporate-taxes/index.htm

Darn facts again!

Are you saying corporate taxes are the only taxes in the US, and (or perhaps or?) that there has been no tax cuts during the new century? Because otherwise, I don't see how that link is relevant to what I said at all.

A 40% tax rate is far from non-existant, wouldn't you agree? How about a 35% top income tax rate?

I didn't say they were non-existent now, I said "unless they keep cutting them to the point of them being almost non-existent". That is, until they are almost non-existent. In the future. I feel you're being overly antagonistic here, you're making yourself see arguments where none exist.