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Author Topic: American Election Megathread - It's Over  (Read 764933 times)

Urist_McDrowner

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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #4455 on: August 10, 2012, 08:18:35 pm »

Furthermore, Presidential candidates/campaigns cannot work with SuperPACs... by law or something.

De jure, yes. My question is, why didn't Obama denounce this ad? The campaign declined to comment when asked about it.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #4456 on: August 10, 2012, 08:20:44 pm »

That's a PAC ad, not one endorsed by Obama. This ad was produced by an organization nominally independent of Obama's campaign, which he is unlikely to exercise significant control over. On an election of this scale, it's not unknown for a candidate to never see some of the ads on his behalf, let alone control them.


Besides this, the ad (unlike Obama's abortion gaffe) wasn't completely false. There is room to suggest that the company folding was Romney's fault.

The company was already folding. A healthy, profitable company isn't one you normally sell.

Bain (Romney was out of the picture at this point), OFFERED THE GUY A BUYOUT.

I forgot to post the analysis link. After Bain bought the company out, it was saddled with massive amounts of debt. A case can be made for that being the result of mismanagement by Bain, which was still under Romney's active control at the time.

As fr why he didn't denounce it? You don't stab an ally in the back just because they make you look bad. It makes you look very bad if you do.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #4457 on: August 10, 2012, 08:21:03 pm »

Furthermore, Presidential candidates/campaigns cannot work with SuperPACs... by law or something.

De jure, yes. My question is, why didn't Obama denounce this ad? The campaign declined to comment when asked about it.
Obama is allowed to decline to comment. You don't have to denounce things that are stupid and inaccurate.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #4458 on: August 10, 2012, 08:37:23 pm »

The other thing to point out: apparently the ad was created, but was never actually aired.

Quote from: the nbc article I linked
By the way, it’s worth noting that the Priorities ad still hasn’t actually aired anywhere (except in free cable chatter.)
http://www.newsmax.com/US/Obama-cancer-ad-TV/2012/08/10/id/448218
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There are no instances of the ad ever running as a paid commercial, according to the Campaign Media Analysis Group of Kantar Media, The Times reports. Kantar uses technology to track the appearance and frequency of political ads nationwide.

So far, the group's data show that the ad has never been shown on broadcast television or national cable, The Times reports.
So we want him denouncing ads which were never aired now? :P
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #4459 on: August 11, 2012, 02:17:57 am »

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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #4460 on: August 11, 2012, 05:05:44 am »

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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #4461 on: August 11, 2012, 05:10:55 am »

Paul Ryan is crazy.
I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry.
Laugh, elections in the US can generally only be won by appealing to the moderate. Obama-Biden (mostly Obama, because...well.....Who the hell is Joe Biden?) is much more moderate than Romney-Ryan (even though that rolls off the tongue better). Romney is in a Catch-22: Pick an off the wall fundie like Ryan and lose the moderate, pick a moderate and lose the far-right. He can't win without both.
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« Reply #4462 on: August 11, 2012, 05:13:09 am »

btw for that Bain steel mill acquisition, for the approx. $9 million profit Bain walked with, the tax-payer ended up bailing out the pensions of workers left high-and-dry to the tune of $44 million. Not to mention all the fraudulent loan money Bain forced them to take out.

Basically this is a case of robbing the loan-givers and pension funds for minimal personal profit, and leave everyone else picking up the tab.

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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #4463 on: August 11, 2012, 08:32:01 am »

And it's officially Romney/Ryan.

This...this will be an interesting next three months.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #4464 on: August 11, 2012, 08:35:33 am »

It hasn't been very interesting so far.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #4465 on: August 11, 2012, 09:41:05 am »

And it's officially Romney/Ryan.

This...this will be an interesting next three months.

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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #4466 on: August 11, 2012, 09:42:30 am »

My initial reaction was: "Mittens, you want to WIN this race. You can do better than that." I stand by that. But apparently the Wall Street Journal really pushed for Ryan.

Still, I suspect this is going to be the second election in a row where the Republicans wasted their chance at winning by picking the wrong veep.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #4467 on: August 11, 2012, 09:52:53 am »

Oh. My. Fucking. God.

Jon Stewart could just repeat that verbatim in a sarcastic tone and it would be a joke on its own.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #4468 on: August 11, 2012, 10:08:52 am »

btw for that Bain steel mill acquisition, for the approx. $9 million profit Bain walked with, the tax-payer ended up bailing out the pensions of workers left high-and-dry to the tune of $44 million. Not to mention all the fraudulent loan money Bain forced them to take out.

Basically this is a case of robbing the loan-givers and pension funds for minimal personal profit, and leave everyone else picking up the tab.

Flip the table and break someone elses dishes so no one notices you took more then your share of the pizza.

Does everyone realize that the fate of the world now depends on the debating skills of Joe Biden?  :o
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #4469 on: August 11, 2012, 10:16:49 am »

Does everyone realize that the fate of the world now depends on the debating skills of Joe Biden?  :o
No it doesn't. The election is merely a formality. The incumbent has already won.
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