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Gantolandon

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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #4410 on: August 07, 2012, 01:12:37 pm »

There are two problems here.  First, the concept of "jobs" in our society is total bullshit.  Having a job does not necessarily mean you contribute anything to society, which I understand to be the basis of the assumption that if you don't have a job that you aren't earning your keep.  A job means only one thing:  making profit for somebody wealthier than you.  Second, our society is so productive that not everybody needs to work, or everybody needs to work very little.  There are a large and ever-increasing number of jobs out there right now that are complete wastes of time that benefit nobody, and only exist because need to have even a worthless "job" to justify their own existence.

I find it most ironic. It was supposed to be a major advantage of the free-market capitalism, frequently underlined by its proponents - that, unlike all forms of socialism, it does not waste people's energy and money by creating bullshit jobs to keep them occupied. But hey, at least statistics look good!

In fact, former Eastern Block state communism and capitalism share more similarities than it appears.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #4411 on: August 07, 2012, 02:22:25 pm »

Probably because they would have allowed the fly ash to escape into the atmosphere instead of trying to clean it up.

Key word there is "trying" (only 3% has been cleaned up so far), not to mention that it was preceded by an attempt to cover it all up and claims that the air wasn't toxic.

Of course Japan was going to have a recession in the 1920s. Japan's major exports were luxury goods like silk. After WWI nobody had the money to buy luxuries, and at the end of 1929 the Great Depression hit, which only worsened the situation. And I'd like to point out that Japan was imperialistic well before WWI. The Russo-Japanese War was fought in 1905 over Machuria as part of their imperialistic agendas. Japan joined the allies in WWI so that they could get Germany's Asian processions and the resources they had.

Nonsense. Japan was undergoing its recession while countries such as the US were in full boom and very much in demand of luxury goods. It was undergoing the worst of its own depression long before the Great Depression even began in the US.

Japan was imperialistic before the 1920s, but not on the same scale that it was afterwards. Before, it had been a method of proving itself to the western powers. After, it was a necessity to keep Japan's fragile economy going.

I'm not talking about industry here. I'm talking about natural resources. Germany may be resource rich in some areas, but not all of them and it definitively did not have enough farmland to feed its entire population. Germany has always been vulnerable to blockades, which is why the German–Soviet Credit Agreements were signed despite the hatred that the two countries and their ideologies.

Germany was resource rich in terms of coal, and it had sufficient industry to trade for what it didn't have.

When War Socialism was introduced in Germany, what it served to do was actually increase consumption of resources early in the war by imposing maximum prices on essential goods (in this case, food). This meant the German people had no food shortages at the beginning of the war, but as the war dragged on longer than intended food was rapidly depleted. Furthermore, restrictions on trade and production made it less worthwhile for a man to work making food when he could only sell it at certain places, for low prices, to certain people. The fact that it was introduced before Germany's capabilities of importing were completely restricted via the entry of Italy and Romania into the war didn't help, either. Germany itself certainly didn't have the food production necessary to last the entire war, but even trade with the continental members of the Central Powers would have been sufficient, and without War Socialism the people of Germany would have had at least enough food to get by on a daily basis.

Another problem is that several of the agrarian communities of Germany and Austria Hungary basically cut themselves off from the starving cities when food was in high demand, as they saw that hoarding their food was more worthwhile then selling it all at a loss and having less for themselves.
I've noticed that people who say the government is completely inefficient and wastes tons of money are always the same people who will defend the ridiculous oodles of money that get spent on the Department of Defense.

Don't bother reading my posts or anything, just skim over them, stamp me with a "REACTIONARY CAPITALIST PIG" logo, and attack me for views I don't hold.

For GreatJustice's benefit:

There was a hole in the bottom of the Sea (and the government for once didn't have the means to do anything about it, and left it to the private sector to fix it until the government had to bring out a $20 billion dollar stick to make them do something effective other than PR campaigns]

Its not like the building of that rig had anything at all to do with the DWRRA or anything
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #4412 on: August 07, 2012, 02:31:22 pm »

http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/18/opinion/kleinbard-canellos-romney-tax/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
Interesting article on Romney's reluctance to release past tax returns.
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« Reply #4413 on: August 07, 2012, 03:38:59 pm »

http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/18/opinion/kleinbard-canellos-romney-tax/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
Interesting article on Romney's reluctance to release past tax returns.
Right, I forgot to post this earlier.
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« Reply #4414 on: August 07, 2012, 03:48:03 pm »

Holy fuck how are they earning 5 million dollars a year in the white house? Admittedly I have no clue how presidential income works and it dropped a ton after 2009 so it was probably election stuff but damn.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #4415 on: August 07, 2012, 03:50:21 pm »

The President's salary is $400,000 a year, so most of that money is from elsewhere.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #4416 on: August 07, 2012, 03:54:06 pm »

Speaking engagements, investments, book royalties, etc. And it is their *joint* income. Michelle's probably making fat stacks to show up at events.
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« Reply #4417 on: August 07, 2012, 03:56:23 pm »

Does she still do stuff like that often? I feel like I haven't heard anything about her in the last year or so.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #4418 on: August 07, 2012, 03:56:42 pm »

its a bit fuzzy, but I seem to recall that the 09 windfall was mostly from various book projects Michele Obama was involved in.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #4419 on: August 07, 2012, 04:31:31 pm »

Right, I forgot to post this earlier.
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Be sure to read the comments and try to count how many of Mitt's campaign employees are posting ridiculous shit [i.e., every comment that starts with "Hey libs"] to try and distract from the fact that he's a tax dodging fuck that wants to raise them on the middle class and the poor.

But hey, those poor people are ruining our economy and they should pay their fair share.
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The Romney campaign sees Obama's move as an opportunity to argue that the president is a liberal who wants to give the poor a free pass at the expense of the middle class.

Wait, what?

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"His policies will take America backward — back to the discredited liberalism of a bygone era where bigger government programs and bigger government checks were the answer to every problem, and accountability was not on the agenda," said Lanhee Chen, Romney's policy director.

Wait, the man who won't take accountability [except to gloat about the "jobs" (money for himself) he's created] for anything he's ever done in his past, and is also running one of the most secretive explain-nothing campaigns since fucking Nixon?
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« Reply #4420 on: August 07, 2012, 04:54:36 pm »

The Obama's income was mostly from book sales, including the 2007 and 2009 spikes. Hence the huge spike around the election. I don't believe that either of them can take paid speaking engagements during his time in office. That might also include capital gains; I know the president has his assets placed in a blind trust but I believe they still report the profits of that trust as income. That would help explain the fairly low rate when combined with deductions (he paid less than his secretary on $95k).

It's also notable that prior to Obama's entry into national politics, both he and Michell were fairly senior professionals; she was a hospital administrator, he was a lawyer (council), senior lecturer and on two different (non-profit) boards of directors as well as his being a state senator. Yet their combined income was still in the $200k range until he ran for Senate and his book sales took off. Just interesting to note.
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« Reply #4421 on: August 08, 2012, 11:09:00 am »

The Obama's income was mostly from book sales, including the 2007 and 2009 spikes. Hence the huge spike around the election. I don't believe that either of them can take paid speaking engagements during his time in office. That might also include capital gains; I know the president has his assets placed in a blind trust but I believe they still report the profits of that trust as income. That would help explain the fairly low rate when combined with deductions (he paid less than his secretary on $95k).

It's also notable that prior to Obama's entry into national politics, both he and Michell were fairly senior professionals; she was a hospital administrator, he was a lawyer (council), senior lecturer and on two different (non-profit) boards of directors as well as his being a state senator. Yet their combined income was still in the $200k range until he ran for Senate and his book sales took off. Just interesting to note.

And Mitts is in the millions for his job alone.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #4422 on: August 08, 2012, 11:15:57 am »

With the latest poll projections it looks like Obama is going to win. Even if he loses in all 4 marginally blue states, Florida, Virginia, Wisconsin, Colorado that would still give him 271 electoral votes.

Edit: I seem to have missed New Hampshire;s 4 votes. If he lost all 5 marginally blue states, he could lose.
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« Reply #4423 on: August 08, 2012, 11:17:10 am »

It has looked like Obama was going to win since 2008.
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« Reply #4424 on: August 08, 2012, 12:13:46 pm »

I suspect it would be even more certain if we would just get rid of the electoral college already. Obama got 43% of the vote in Texas last election, and yet McCain got all the electoral points.
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