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[PTTG??]

A strange thing about American politics; black people voting is bad for gays. Apparently the black religious community is very strong. Just this morning I heard an interview of a black preacher who said that gay marriage is like bestiality, and strongly forbidden by the bible. He said it was not a civil rights issue and does not compare to interracial marriage because being black is not a choice, like being gay is.

I really wanted to ask him when he chose to be straight. I know I didn't; when I see a woman, I will think to myself, she looks nice. Looking at a man, well, nothing against him personally, but I'm not interested. At no point do I make any "choice".

Furthermore, it is worth noting that the only parts of the bible that say anything about gay people are in the old testament. Now, modern Christians know that Jesus's whole shtick was making the old testament invalid. He comes down, dies, and in this is a sacrifice that "fulfills" every law and requirement of the old testament. Whenever people bring up the old testament as an argument about religion, it's pointed out that Jesus eliminated the old bad laws with his sacrifice.

There isn't any leeway here- either Jesus completely erased the old testament and replaced it with his teachings- which never, not even once, mention gays- or every word of the old testament is totally true... which means that every person who so much as flipped a light switch on a Saturday is a mortal sinner. If gays are bad, then bacon is outlawed. If the bible is against homosexuals, then you may not cut your hair (and also, incidentally, must never let your hair reach your collar. Don't ask me how).

I feel terrible writing this, but yeah, long-term cultural oppression spurred by ignorance has begotten economic strife and poor access to education, creating yet more ignorance and leading almost inevitably to more oppression despite progress in the recent past. Ultimately creating a cycle that can only be broken by many generations of constant social justice and cultural introspection.

[RedKing]

Where did I say he should be prosecuted? I'm not considering this as a legal issue, I'm considering it as one of character. Yeah, kids make "youthful indiscretions" that don't necessarily reflect on their adult behavior.

That said, I don't qualify an incident like this as "youthful indiscretion". Because down that line of thinking, Matthew Shepard's killers were just "a prank gone wrong".

[FearfulJesuit]

It is worth noting that Paul does talk about homosexuality in the NT, whereas he never talks about bacon or hair-cutting. This is not simply a Leviticus-only issue.


</devil's advocate>

[mainiac]

Where did I say he should be prosecuted?

Oh we're back to begging the question by false analogy?

[kaijyuu]

This is egregiously offtopic, but yeah I do think there's a statute of limitations on being a douchebag. People change over time, you know.

[Urist Imiknorris]

The statute of limitations on douchebaggery is when the perpetrator regrets doing it.

[mainiac]

So everyone who doesn't remember every last douchebag thing they did as a teenager and regret those things is still a douchebag?  Newsflash, that's pretty much everybody.  Teenagers are horrible people, thankfully most people stop being teenagers after a few years.

[Aqizzar]

So everyone who doesn't remember every last douchebag thing they did as a teenager and regret those things is still a douchebag?  Newsflash, that's pretty much everybody.  Teenagers are horrible people, thankfully most people stop being teenagers after a few years.

I did some douchebag stuff as a teenager.  I never shagged a guy down with my friends and cut off his hair.  There are degrees to being a jerk.

[kaijyuu]

It's a bit presumptuous to say all teenagers are jerks, too.



Back to election stuff, eh?

[Jervill]

So...is this thread just presidential election?  Or are house, senate, and gubernatorial races fair game as well?

[Aqizzar]

So...is this thread just presidential election?  Or are house, senate, and gubernatorial races fair game as well?

If you have anything interesting to say about any other American elections, the floor is yours.  I just figured there wouldn't be much for a while.

[Mr. Palau]

In other news it looks like the Senate ahs a 50-50 chance of going republican according to the TV.

[MaximumZero]

So, rumor has it (it was on the teevee, so it must be true!) that Romney is eyeing Rick Snyder, he who is attempting to dismantle Michigan's government and install his own puppets, as a possible candidate for his veep.

Could that be any more horrible and/or ridiculous?

[Jervill]

In other news it looks like the Senate ahs a 50-50 chance of going republican according to the TV.

Not likely.  On the surface, it looks as if the Republicans can win it simply because the Dems defend many more seats, however, many democratic incumbents are quite popular.  Take Sherrod Brown (D-OH) and Amy Klobuchar (D-MN) for example, they sit in so-called swing states and it's unlikely either of them will lose. Especially so in Klobuchar's case.  The Democrats also have a shot at retaking Massachusetts's seat from Scott Brown, and Angus King (I-ME) will most likely take Olympia Snowe's seat.  Nevada's senate seat is also a potential democratic pickup, and after Pete Hoekstra's epic screw up (an extremely racist ad against Debbie Stebenow) it looks like the democrats may hold Michigan's seat as well.

All that, or I'm completely wrong and am being too optimistic.

[Urist Imiknorris]

Could that be any more horrible and/or ridiculous?

Santorum/Snyder.