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[nenjin]

Well if that isn't the pot calling the kettle....wait.

[mainiac]

More like the kettle calling the kettle... oh I see what you did there!

[RedKing]

Day late (literally) and a dollar short, IMHO.

[GlyphGryph]

I'm pretty amazed at his ability to manage to make something so impressive (being the first President to publicly support gay marriage) make him seem so... uh, can't even think of the word... at the same time.

Like, Biden is the only one that's come out of this with any respect for me, Obama just feels like he got backed into a corner and just randomly decided which way to dart.

On the other hand, he darted the right way. So at least there's some evidence of liberal beliefs under there.

At least he's finally given me a reason to vote for him. I may just cast a presidential vote this year after all...

[Jervill]

Obama is a midwesterner culturally; he's never going to be gung-ho about something, it's just not in the culture here.  Even if he is very pro or against something, he's going to be coy about it.

[palsch]

I'm pretty amazed at his ability to manage to make something so impressive (being the first President to publicly support gay marriage) make him seem so... uh, can't even think of the word... at the same time.

Patrick and Teresa Nielsen Hayden;

PNH: "One could wish he looked a little less like he'd been forced into it."

TNH: "True, but it's very enjoyable that he was forced into it by a Catholic."

[OFFSTAGE: Sound of bishops exploding.]

[nenjin]

*resists urge to make a altar boy jokes*

[mainiac]

Like, Biden is the only one that's come out of this with any respect for me, Obama just feels like he got backed into a corner and just randomly decided which way to dart.

While I slightly agree with you on the backed into a corner part, the random part seems pretty off base.  Obama's been a cautious but consistent advocate of gay rights.  When don't ask don't tell died it died with a whimper not a bang but those of us following the process closely knew that it was coming.

Let the iconic moments be the happy moments, like gay couples marrying after years of waiting, not the fights you picked.

[Jervill]

Perhaps the President can use this to lobby against many of the anti-gay marriage amendments that are on the ballot this fall.

[GlyphGryph]

Yeah, but I honestly didn't know if he'd react by closing down and denying or by coming out and supporting. When this happened not to long ago on the medical marijuana, he basically full-on reversed everything he'd done and said by that point to come out against it. I was afraid he was going to do that again, and really had no feeling in advance as to which way he'd end up.

I'm sure that's the side he WANTS to be on, personally, in favour of gay marriage, but political reelection considerations seem to take priority.

[kaijyuu]

'Course, as he's a representative of the people, changing his stance based on what he thinks most people want might be seen as a good thing. Added benefit of getting himself reelected, too.

[Sowelu]

Added benefit of getting himself reelected, too.

You have to be joking.  This took huge balls on his part re: the elections, because the states that it would get him favor in (west coast, New York) are all going to vote for him anyway, and the battleground states might not be so happy about this.

[PTTG??]

I'm still going to the green party as the most mainstream liberal third party. I still want to tell the Democrats that they aren't liberal enough, and you can't do that by voting for them.

[Jervill]

You are aware PTTG, that all that does it split the vote and allows people you disagree with even more to end up winning.  Here in Minnesota, Tim Pawlenty never won a majority of voters, but got two terms because of people voting for the Independence Party candidates.

[Leafsnail]

That, to me, would be the main advantage in switching to something like AV or runoff voting (they have it for the French presidential elections, which as a consequence are very popular and allow people to vote for whatever obscure candidate they like without splitting the vote... well, except in really weird situations).  You could make a protest vote while also keeping out whoever you don't like.