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[Shinotsa]

Yeah, I can see why rational people would be afraid of a president like Hilary. But most people don't read articles, or think about this rationally. That's the problem. But for all of those who do I understand. You have to live here while I'm a dual citizen. If I choose the risky candidate and they wind up screwing the country up I can just head back to Canada. Even though they're going crazy conservative now. Why can't we go crazy liberal? I'd like crazy liberal. Let's get free healthcare, gay rights, and an amendment stating that life begins by the same benchmark as when it ends, higher brain function.

Granted, much like FDR, I'd be shot for running under this platform. Or rather I'd actually be running UNDER the platform, as I'd probably be 6 feet deep for just mentioning it before it actually gained any support at all.

[Sowelu]

I think some of her opposition came from opposition to our royalist streak.  Bush clinton clinton bush bush clinton?  That's a little too much for an awful lot of people.  Twenty-four years of two families in power.  It's important to oppose that on principle alone.

Also, we saw what happened with Bush the Junior:  When a relative of an ex-president gets into power, they have something to prove.  That's dangerous as all hell.  You'd already have a little of that coming from anyone who's a "first"...first black president, first jewish president, first woman president, whatever.  I'd rather have someone who's chill take the lead there.  She wasn't chill.

Mostly though it was the first issue to me.

[Lord Dullard]

Yeah, I can see why rational people would be afraid of a president like Hilary. But most people don't read articles, or think about this rationally. That's the problem. But for all of those who do I understand. You have to live here while I'm a dual citizen. If I choose the risky candidate and they wind up screwing the country up I can just head back to Canada. Even though they're going crazy conservative now. Why can't we go crazy liberal? I'd like crazy liberal. Let's get free healthcare, gay rights, and an amendment stating that life begins by the same benchmark as when it ends, higher brain function.

Granted, much like FDR, I'd be shot for running under this platform. Or rather I'd actually be running UNDER the platform, as I'd probably be 6 feet deep for just mentioning it before it actually gained any support at all.

The paranoia about socialist values in this country is REALLY annoying.

I blame it on the Russians. If those jackasses hadn't started the ball rolling on Marxism by putting a bunch of authoritarian extremists into power and calling them 'communists', the Cold War wouldn't have been necessitated and we'd be in a completely different boat. Bah.

[Zrk2]

Yeah, I can see why rational people would be afraid of a president like Hilary. But most people don't read articles, or think about this rationally. That's the problem. But for all of those who do I understand. You have to live here while I'm a dual citizen. If I choose the risky candidate and they wind up screwing the country up I can just head back to Canada. Even though they're going crazy conservative now. Why can't we go crazy liberal? I'd like crazy liberal. Let's get free healthcare, gay rights, and an amendment stating that life begins by the same benchmark as when it ends, higher brain function.

Granted, much like FDR, I'd be shot for running under this platform. Or rather I'd actually be running UNDER the platform, as I'd probably be 6 feet deep for just mentioning it before it actually gained any support at all.

The paranoia about socialist values in this country is REALLY annoying.

I blame it on the Russians. If those jackasses hadn't started the ball rolling on Marxism by putting a bunch of authoritarian extremists into power and calling them 'communists', the Cold War wouldn't have been necessitated and we'd be in a completely different boat. Bah.

SEE? THOSE COMMIE BASTARDS RUIN EVERYTHING!

[Eagle_eye]

Honestly, I'd say it's Stalin's fault. Lenin was rather authoritarian, but I think he probably actually believed in achieving a utopia. Stalin was just in it for his own gain.

[Mr. Palau]

Blame the Iron Law of Oligarchy and human reproductive independance.

[scriver]

Lenin wasn't that much of a believer either. He made sure that many of the other influential leaders and ideologues who were stronger supporters of the ideology were either exiled or dead early on in his reign. The Soviet Communism was basically doomed (even leaving out the economics issues) to fail as soon as Lenin's faction got into power. Stalin taking over was just the last nail in the coffin.

[Nadaka]

http://news.yahoo.com/why-jon-huntsman-is-leaving-the-gop--not-because-they%E2%80%99re-communists-.html

John Huntsman may be leaving the GOP soon.

[Darvi]

For what it’s worth, I don’t think Huntsman was painting with a brush so broad as to compare the Republican Party with Communist China. For one thing, Huntsman is not yet under house arrest with his Internet access forbidden.

Pics or I don't believe it.

[RedKing]

I liked that article. Hunstman seems like a sharp cookie. And he "gets" China and the *correct* reason to be worried about them (rising youth nationalism), rather than the outdated one (OMG THEYRE COMMIES!).

More power to him and any attempts he makes to forge a Third Way type party.


Oh, BTW, there's five primaries today. Any guesses as to who'll win? Yeah, that guy. Turnout is expected to be way down now that the race is essentially just in the victory lap.

[Dutchling]

This might have been said before in this thread, but what happened to Santorum's votes anyway?

[GlyphGryph]

The delegates went to Ron Paul, mostly - its how he's managed to win two states, and looks likely to win more.

His victory in Minnesota was incredible - he received five times as much support as Romney.

Of course, this has been the ronpauls game plan all along, and it still wont be enough to give him the win - he's still playing, but its a losing game.


Also - god damn it, but I /like/ Hunstman. He really seemed like the only candidate willing to focus on doing his god damn job once he got elected. Eh.

[palsch]

This might have been said before in this thread, but what happened to Santorum's votes anyway?

His delegates? It depends on the state and type.

The superdelegates have always been free to vote for whoever they want. He had two of those.

About 95 of his delegates came from non-binding caucuses and primaries. They can vote for whoever they want come the convention.

The remaining 188 are bound to vote for him until he decides to release them or the second round of convention voting.

Little bit more comprehensive breakdown here.

[Nadaka]

Well, I for one would like to see the GOP split with a Huntsman style moderate right party growing in popularity as the radical right currently in charge fade into obscurity.

Of course I would also like to see a left party split off from the democrats and grow in popularity as the current slightly right in charge fade into obscurity (or at least to produce a decent 3 or 4 way split).

[FearfulJesuit]

A four-way split would be nice. This is probably what would happen if Britain recolonised the US- UKIP would get the crazy republicans, the Conservatives would get the moderate Republicans and the blue dog Democrats, and the rest of the democrats would be split between Labour and the Lib Dems.