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Author Topic: American Election Megathread - It's Over  (Read 769517 times)

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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #2850 on: March 20, 2012, 10:56:12 am »

I'm actually thinking a Gozer/Quetzalcotl ticket might be pretty viable.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #2851 on: March 20, 2012, 11:05:30 am »

Allow me to get the thread back on track with a question, what happens to a candidate's delegates after they drop out of the race? Do they simply drop out and not cast a vote for another candidate or what?

Typically, the candidate who drops out endorses one of the remaining candidate. His delegates are not bound to follow the candidate's lead, but often do.

Illinois election today! Romney is very likely to win, in no small part because he's outspending everyone else by orders of magnitude. One article stated he outspent Santorum 21-to-1 in the Chicago metro area. So Romney is proving that he can win votes, but is incredibly inefficient at doing so. He's a coal-fired Titanic, compared to Santorum's solar-powered speedboat. And Ron Paul's gold-powered tugboat. And Gingrich's private yacht which is actually powered by Newt's own self-righteousness. And then there's poor Buddy Roemer, floating in a life preserver.

Yeah, that metaphor kinda went off the rails at some point.  ???


But it's worth remembering that because of Illinois' insane loophole primary system, the popular vote and the delegate outcome have no causal connection. Romney could win 50% of the popular vote and wind up with 2 delegates, because they're almost all running as "uncommitted" delegates which allows them to throw their eventual support behind whoever they want. I certainly don't think there's ANY chance that bribery could possibly ever come into play in THIS situation.[/suspiciouslystridentdenial]
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #2852 on: March 20, 2012, 11:56:28 am »

« Last Edit: March 20, 2012, 01:36:59 pm by dhokarena56 »
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #2853 on: March 20, 2012, 12:38:54 pm »

I like how he says he's going to create jobs in such a way that it seems like he's saying he isn't.
Most presidential candidates would say the exact opposite thing :P
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #2854 on: March 20, 2012, 01:16:30 pm »

Nothing like a politically self-inflicted gunshot wound. Well played Santorum.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #2855 on: March 20, 2012, 03:26:49 pm »

The supporters he has now don't care. Santorum is a cult leader- what he says is automatically assumed to be good; the cultist's worldview shifts around to fit it.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #2856 on: March 20, 2012, 03:53:59 pm »

Santorum's done.

I have a joy boner right now.

This is made even better by the fact that this fucker is going to keep going.

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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #2857 on: March 20, 2012, 04:01:15 pm »

Whereas Romney's answer to EVERYTHING is "I make moar jobs!" From a campaign event at Bradly University yesterday:

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ROMNEY: The best thing I can do for student debt is get you a good job when you come out.

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ROMNEY: The best thing I can do for home values is to get the 8.3 percent of people in this country that are out of work back to work.

Apparently the Mitt formula is "The best thing I can do for X is make more jobs." Jobs will end the wars in the Middle East, free the Syrian people, cure AIDS and fix global warming.

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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #2858 on: March 20, 2012, 04:08:56 pm »

Apparently the Mitt formula is "The best thing I can do for X is make more jobs." Jobs will end the wars in the Middle East, free the Syrian people, cure AIDS and fix global warming.
Diplomats, soldiers, scientists, doctors, and engineers :P

Of course, that's only if the politicians, CEOs, and various other administrative folks learn to STFU and listen the people that actually know wth they're doing.

Hahahahahaha.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #2859 on: March 20, 2012, 04:19:00 pm »

Sure that's the real Mitt Romney?
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #2860 on: March 20, 2012, 04:38:12 pm »

Allow me to get the thread back on track with a question, what happens to a candidate's delegates after they drop out of the race? Do they simply drop out and not cast a vote for another candidate or what?
The Republicans have this strange rule that you need a plurality (read bigest share, not majority) in at least 5 states in order to be able to be voted for at the convention, which is something newt gingerich and paul haven't accomplished, so the big question is who will their delegates vote for? Here is the direct quote of the rule.

"Each candidate for nomination for President of the United States and Vice President of the United States shall demonstrate the support of a plurality of the delegates from each of five (5) or more states, severally, prior to the presentation of the name of that candidate for nomination."

So the candidite can't be nominated at the convention,a dn hence can't be voted for. I think if a candidite fails in the first round of voting all the delegates get to vote for whomever they wish.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #2861 on: March 20, 2012, 04:40:21 pm »

Do they have to have a plurality at the caucuses/primaries or do they have to have a plurality on the convention floor?
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #2862 on: March 20, 2012, 04:49:22 pm »

Do they have to have a plurality at the caucuses/primaries or do they have to have a plurality on the convention floor?

That's a good question, especially with cases like Mississippi where Santorum won the plurality of the primary but Romney was awarded more of the state's delegates (13 to 12 that is) thanks to the "unbound" delegates (read: party chairmen saying who the nominee will be).  Thanks to the way the race has already shaken out, I don't think that's going to come into contention though.  If Santorum doesn't have a plurality of actual delegates from at least five states by the end, it's safe to guess that Romney will have more than 1144 anyway.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #2863 on: March 20, 2012, 04:52:19 pm »

Whereas Romney's answer to EVERYTHING is "I make moar jobs!" From a campaign event at Bradly University yesterday:

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ROMNEY: The best thing I can do for student debt is get you a good job when you come out.

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ROMNEY: The best thing I can do for home values is to get the 8.3 percent of people in this country that are out of work back to work.

Apparently the Mitt formula is "The best thing I can do for X is make more jobs." Jobs will end the wars in the Middle East, free the Syrian people, cure AIDS and fix global warming.

In those two case (student loans and mortgage issues), yes, jobs are at least part of the solution.

However Romney doesn't really have any plan for creating jobs.

He has a plan for cutting the tax on wealthy people and corporations.

And that only produces jobs under a rapidly expanding market, and nearly every domestic market is nearly saturated.
And only if domestic jobs have a lower overall cost than foreign jobs + shipping costs.
And only if those that lower cost of the domestic jobs are apparent no later than the next quarter.

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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #2864 on: March 20, 2012, 05:32:08 pm »

No modern US politician can fix the economy. The reason is, they're all lawyers. Of course they try to treat the US economy as a service industry, and of course they see unions as a universally deadly threat. They have no idea how a manufacturing business works.
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