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[Aqizzar]

So besides that, you say, kids attending public school do have some measure of responsibility inheriant in attending the schools, say they cannot completely trash the classroom or clog the bathroom toliets day after day. How does that fundamentally differ from mandating their behavior to the effect that they have to clean the facilities they dirty or maintain the public property they benefit from?

It doesn't, which nobody's really arguing about.  It's how you think separating that idea, from the original idea of responsibility being delineated by economic class, is somehow a trivial distinction.  Nobody is saying it's a bad thing for kids to be involved in taking care of their schools (to the extent that it's about character building, not about replacing the janitorial staff).  Which is I why I think the argument can be dropped.

[Montague]

It doesn't, which nobody's really arguing about.  It's how you think separating that idea, from the original idea of responsibility being delineated by economic class, is somehow a trivial distinction.  Nobody is saying it's a bad thing for kids to be involved in taking care of their schools (to the extent that it's about character building, not about replacing the janitorial staff).  Which is I why I think the argument can be dropped.

Also, my opinion and political veiwpoint probably differs from that of Newt Gringrich, as such, isn't align with the topic of the Republican primary and so is off-topic and I should shut up anyways, so I concur that the argument can be dropped.

[PyroDesu]

Getting a little back on the rails of the topic, Santorum was here to "headline the Chattanooga Tea Party’s Liberty Forum".[Chattanooga Times Free Press]

"In law enforcement, we believe, in my administration, the government should only be involved in peoples lives in things they cannot do for themselves." says the Hamilton County Sheriff. "I've seen what can happen to young people who are not kept on track," he says. "One of my responsibilities, is to oversee the SRO program,    It's not a babysitting program," he says. "We're there to mentor."

"We've all seen our government overstep its bounds," the vice president of the local Tea Party says. "I really really like president Bush, except when he was governing, our conservative president governed like a liberal." he says.

Those are just some of the earlier highlights, here's the article that provides a transcript of it: http://timesfreepress.com/news/2012/feb/25/live-chattanooga-liberty-forum-rick-santorum/

[Nilik]

The sad thing is compared with this new batch of looneys Bush really does look like a liberal in comparison.

[Flying Dice]

So can we just raise FDR and Lincoln from the dead and run them for President and Vice President as independents? Roosevelt could use his magical liberal powers to fix our problems, and Lincoln could use his freakish stature and strength to emancipate the GOP candidates' limbs from their bodies.

[mainiac]

Newt Gingrich wants to cut federal payroll by more then 100%.  I hope he fires himself twice.

[Karlito]

Apparently Mitt Romney is now a bad word.

[Frumple]

Huh. So we've got Santorum and Romney, who's going to pull something out for Gingrich and Paul?

[jester]

I dont think you could get away with turning paul into a swear, especially in america.

[scriver]

Huh. So we've got Santorum and Romney, who's going to pull something out for Gingrich and Paul?

Gingrich already sounds like one of those quaint Britishy curse words. *hits door with toes* "Gingrich!"

[kaijyuu]

I think Newt Gingrich's name would make a great harry potter villain.

[G-Flex]

Newt Gingrich wants to cut federal payroll by more then 100%.  I hope he fires himself twice.

There's something misleading about this article.

It assumes that payroll is the only place you'd save money by firing those people, which is not the case. If you fire someone, you're also saving money on all the resources he uses. A fired employee no longer needs to use a computer, have a desk, work in a building, or any of the other costs associated with people. And he wasn't even just talking about firing people, he was talking about reforming the way the system is managed in general.

Gingrich is a bit nuts, but it's ridiculous to think that the only cost associated with civil service is payroll.

[mainiac]

Newt Gingrich wants to cut federal payroll by more then 100%.  I hope he fires himself twice.

There's something misleading about this article.

It assumes that payroll is the only place you'd save money by firing those people, which is not the case. If you fire someone, you're also saving money on all the resources he uses. A fired employee no longer needs to use a computer, have a desk, work in a building, or any of the other costs associated with people. And he wasn't even just talking about firing people, he was talking about reforming the way the system is managed in general.

Gingrich is a bit nuts, but it's ridiculous to think that the only cost associated with civil service is payroll.

Okay, you can chose to use that interpretation.  But the entire non-military discretionary budget of the United States is less then 500 billion.  So he is still talking about cutting the budget by more then the entire amount of the budget.

Meanwhile: Romney, friend of NASCAR team owners

[Sheb]

It's also ridiculous to think you can save so much money from the Civil Service without abolishing it altogether. But yeah, that article is misleading.

[mainiac]

It's also ridiculous to think you can save so much money from the Civil Service without abolishing it altogether. But yeah, that article is misleading.

I'm sorry but what is misleading about it?

“I think that, if we were prepared to repeal the 130-year-old civil service laws, go to a modern management system, we could save a minimum of $500 billion a year with a better system.”

Did the article misrepresent his views?  Is there some universe in which these views aren't crazy?