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Heron TSG

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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #2220 on: February 21, 2012, 01:06:45 am »

1. At least with FAFSA and Washington State Need Grants, if you don't graduate, your interest rate goes quite a bit higher and you have to pay everything. That's incentive for people to actually get degrees.

2. I have not yet met an unemployed Occupier that was not a student. (Except for a homeless guy, but he technically makes a living carving scrimshaw and selling it at the farmer's market.) I may be in a smallish town, but we're not all jobless layabouts, you know!

3. If the people are too educated, they need to put their education to use. Want to be a psychologist? Make your own job, if you can't find one! Or you know, plan properly. I for one am going for a math/physics/compsci degree. (Major/minor/major.) The state is giving me extra funding for this because those are practical, needed degrees. There are no equivalents for history majors. (Not knocking on history majors, I love the topic, but we need math people!)

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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #2221 on: February 21, 2012, 01:09:08 am »

I thought that FAFSA was essentially free money, so long as it went towards education. Did that change or something?
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« Reply #2222 on: February 21, 2012, 01:09:45 am »

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« Reply #2223 on: February 21, 2012, 01:12:01 am »

Want to be a psychologist? Make your own job, if you can't find one!
Step 1: Make people crazy.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #2224 on: February 21, 2012, 01:12:32 am »

Want to be a psychologist? Make your own job, if you can't find one!
Step 1: Make people crazy.
That's the job of the masked dude hiding under your chair.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #2225 on: February 21, 2012, 01:13:05 am »

Unless you goto school for a hard skill like doctor or lawyer, then you will have a hard time finding work that will give you the ability to pay off your debt in a reasonable amount of time.

Actually, even the law grads were struggling with finding a job.

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Step 1: Make people crazy.

Step 2: ???

Step 3: Profit!
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #2226 on: February 21, 2012, 01:13:34 am »

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I already beat him up and assumed his identity.
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« Reply #2227 on: February 21, 2012, 01:14:21 am »

No no, the other masked dude. This one is invisible and intangible.
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« Reply #2228 on: February 21, 2012, 01:18:13 am »

Unless you goto school for a hard skill like doctor or lawyer, then you will have a hard time finding work that will give you the ability to pay off your debt in a reasonable amount of time.

Actually, even the law grads were struggling with finding a job.

I wonder what is going to happen to the current crop of students when they have to compete with those who are currently without a job.  It is going to be even worse if the current economic climate in America does not improve.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #2229 on: February 21, 2012, 01:19:13 am »

I thought that FAFSA was essentially free money, so long as it went towards education.
Exactly. Drop out of school midyear and you have to pay it back.
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« Reply #2230 on: February 21, 2012, 01:28:19 am »

I thought that FAFSA was essentially free money, so long as it went towards education.
Exactly. Drop out of school midyear and you have to pay it back.
So why are you talking about interest rates? Stay in school, and you pay nothing back, which is like negative interest.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #2231 on: February 21, 2012, 01:31:18 am »

Ah, I forgot to list Stafford Loans at the beginning of that post. Those are really low-interest loans that only remain low-interest until you leave school. If you earn a degree, the interest rate is a bit below average. If you drop out, it's higher.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #2232 on: February 21, 2012, 01:32:41 am »

Wait, wait, wait. I appear to have been doing something wrong this whole time. FAFSA is just a form required to quantify your eligibility for actual aid from other sources, is it not? All I ever got out of it was the ability to apply for loans (the Stafford ones being what I wound up with).
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #2233 on: February 21, 2012, 01:33:25 am »

2. I have not yet met an unemployed Occupier that was not a student. (Except for a homeless guy, but he technically makes a living carving scrimshaw and selling it at the farmer's market.) I may be in a smallish town, but we're not all jobless layabouts, you know!

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3. If the people are too educated, they need to put their education to use.

That is easy for you too say, it is harder to understand when there is absolutely no job prospects in the place you live.  It is hard enough to move, but it is even harder when you have loans that need to be paid back, find a job, new place, while surviving and enjoying yourself, if you can. 

If you are saying these people are not trying to find work, then it is either because there is no job prospects or school did a very bad job at preparing them for actual life. 

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Want to be a psychologist? Make your own job, if you can't find one!Or you know, plan properly.

If it was so easy then everybody would be self employed, rich and successful.  Plan properly?  Kind of hard to do when you are being pressured be your friends/parents/teachers to goto school and get an education. 

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I for one am going for a math/physics/compsci degree. (Major/minor/major.) The state is giving me extra funding for this because those are practical, needed degrees.

If only everybody shared your desire and work ethic, things would be so much easier! 

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There are no equivalents for history majors. (Not knocking on history majors, I love the topic, but we need math people!)

Of course not, but do you think those who are teaching those classes are going to enlighten you or possible students to what kind of job prospects they may or may not have in that field (or any other sociology field)?
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #2234 on: February 21, 2012, 01:36:34 am »

Wait, wait, wait. I appear to have been doing something wrong this whole time. FAFSA is just a form required to quantify your eligibility for actual aid from other sources, is it not? All I ever got out of it was the ability to apply for loans (the Stafford ones being what I wound up with).
No, FAFSA can qualify you for genuine scholarship money; the kind you don't have to pay back, direct from the government. Not everyone can qualify however. I'm apparently just middle-class enough to fall outside their guidelines, though my family could certainly use the extra help.
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