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Author Topic: American Election Megathread - It's Over  (Read 771859 times)

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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #1995 on: February 15, 2012, 10:30:39 pm »

I just don't know what to say. I really don't.

I am honestly having trouble believing this, even from him.

Can we find a news source for this? The only thing I see is this self proclaimed "almost" reliable" news site and a bunch of tumbler blogs.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #1996 on: February 15, 2012, 10:32:20 pm »

You know, looking at a couple other sources (a Nebraska newspaper and a Democrat website), they don't make any mention of the "women are mentally ill" thing. However, he did imply that not going to war in the Middle East would have resulted in all of us speaking Arabic now, and claimed that Christians have never conquered or governed anyone (unlike Muslims). I'll keep checking.

ETA: Something I just noticed, both of the sources I found were from Dec 2011, while the linked article implies that it happened today or just recently. I never thought I would defend this guy, but I'm not entirely sure he said this.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #1997 on: February 15, 2012, 10:36:17 pm »

That's really too bad.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #1998 on: February 15, 2012, 10:37:22 pm »

Well I'm much less disturbed now so I call it a win.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #1999 on: February 15, 2012, 10:39:29 pm »

Another thing: The linked website (Free Wood Post) makes a mention that a group called "Code Pink" are planning protests. There's nothing I can see on a quick sojurn through the Code Pink website. No alerts, no tweets, no nothing.
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« Reply #2000 on: February 15, 2012, 10:50:57 pm »

Double-post, sorry.

Did the person who linked to Free Wood Post know that this was a satire website, like the Onion? At least I hope it's satire and not just malicious lies/batshit insanity, because they have stories like "Michelle Bachman melts when water is spilled on her" and "Newt Gingrich offers to convert to Judaism after the election". Pretty sure we been trolled, guys.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #2001 on: February 16, 2012, 01:52:40 am »

Sadly, Id belive it all, especially the Michelle Bachman thing.

  But yeah, its a satirical website, shouldnt even be called news in america.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #2002 on: February 16, 2012, 02:30:15 am »

Not very good satire.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #2003 on: February 16, 2012, 02:32:29 am »

Well, it got me pretty good, until I started digging around. But yeah, the Onion is better.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #2004 on: February 16, 2012, 02:35:49 am »

Isn't satire supposed to be amusing?
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #2005 on: February 16, 2012, 02:38:11 am »

It's not intrinsic to the concept, no. As this demonstrates.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #2006 on: February 16, 2012, 05:46:26 am »

Trolling may not be amusing in the eyes of all, but is still amusing to some.

  I find the onion rather unfunny, but alot of people obviously disagree with me.  Though id say america is in a laugh or cry stage politically
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« Reply #2007 on: February 16, 2012, 05:52:59 am »

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Buying a company, taking out a loan to pay himself 350 million dollars (or close to it) and then filing for bankruptcy on the loans he took out to pay himself but suffering no liability because of legal loopholes.

And the best part is, the collateral posted for that loan? The company he bought out.

Using someone else's money is a cornerstone of global business economics. So while technically it's fraud, it's actually how business has been getting done for a very long time. It's actually very rare for people to put up much of their own money to support a business. Can't get rich that way!

From what little I understand of the business world, I am getting this impression too. I think companys and individuals can and will do whatever they can to milk money out of the system, and I think the government looks the otherway because it often leads to GDP growth, and such greed is the fundimental engine of capitalism.

This doesn't add to GDP.  It's econ 101 that capitalism doesn't work without capital goods, operating capital, etc.  This is why it's called capital-ism not monocle-top-hat-ism.  When a big company gets taken over and shrunk to return to profitability, the result is a decrease in GDP.

He 'saved' a bunch of companys, yeah some failed but a 80% successrate is indeed increasing the operating capital that would not have existed had he not intervened.
So yeah, despite his butchery I believe he did help the economy, at the expense of workers and to great profit to himself.

'When a big company gets taken over and shrunk to return to profitability, the result is a decrease in GDP.'

From what people have stated, if he didnt shrink them they would have collapsed anyway, thus a small decrease trumps a big decrease.
Honestly, I know people will want to argue Mit is an evil capitalist, to be fair, I think hes a capitalist. He didn't start businesses@(apparently), but he intervened in many, essentially making a profit.
But yeh he seems to have screwed people over, but I don't think he had a negative effect on the economy, quite the opposite. I thinkt thats what opponants to him want to think, despite being proponants of capitalism which relies on layoffs and buying and selling of stock, venture capital and investors.

Not to mention, the company he owned(I assmume he owned a invesment company or was involved in one?) would have been making enormous profits in this time.

*If I said GDP, I meant without him the GDP wouldn't have been better than with him and people like him, not that it would yield a net increase from his actions. If I said otherwise it was a mistake.

I know alot of this is ifs and maybes, but I think the core of what i'm saying is he didn't have a negative or A-Capitalistic portfolio, he simply invested in companys to make the most profit, and cut labor where it was required to make the company profitable again, which is good for the economy and growth.

Does anyone have any detailed info on his business actions? I'd really like to read up on this guy and see exactly what were talking about, so I can make a better judgement as to the if's and maybes here.
Note: I'm not looking for propaganda on how he tore apart companys and is generally a bad guy, I know this, I agree to this more than anyone here probably, I despise how business hurts the workers first and the top last or not at all. I'm looking for detailed information on what companys he owned, how well they were/are doing and what his involvement was in them.


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What the fuck?! What...the fuck?! What..the..fu-u-*cries*

Oh god, just when I thought Santorum could not get any more out there, he does this. I don't think he actually wants the presidency after all :/

As for Santorum........................................  :P it has to be bullshit. Has to.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #2008 on: February 16, 2012, 06:12:18 am »

So... I was just rereading the thread, and found this gem.

Whether the government is going to outlaw condoms is kind of a general topic of an election maybe, but will only really become more so provided Rick Santorum is still in the Top Three for the Republican nomination come the end of January.  Let's keep it in the here and now for the time being, eh?

I'll be damned.  Five weeks later, and for entirely related reasons, Rick Santorum is near the top of the polls, and outlawing condoms is by some dark confluence a serious position in American politics.

Holy shit, where did we turn onto this road?
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #2009 on: February 16, 2012, 08:50:54 am »

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/15/rick-santorum-mitt-romney-rombo-ad_n_1278735.html

This is a "Santorum" ad attacking Romney for "mudslinging". I don't know about you, but I think it may backfire.
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