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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #1455 on: February 02, 2012, 05:10:41 pm »

Paul... You mean the neo-nazi?
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #1456 on: February 02, 2012, 05:31:15 pm »

Paul... You mean the neo-nazi?

Obama... You mean the communist?
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #1457 on: February 02, 2012, 05:38:01 pm »

Paul... You mean the neo-nazi?

Obama... You mean the communist?

Ron Paul is firmly linked the the founders of Stormfront and the American Nazi Party as well as several Grand Dragons of the KKK. He published a racist news letter for a decade, and a subpena was requested regarding his involvement in the white supremacist coupe attempt in the Dominican republic. He firmly stands against the 14th and 24th amendments and has voted against every civil rights legislation he has had the opportunity to.

Why do you think that Obama is a communist? What has he done to even be even tangentially tied to that label?


But this line of questioning has already been covered and is mostly off topic.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #1459 on: February 02, 2012, 05:56:40 pm »



EDIT: More information:
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/290374/20120131/ron-paul-anonymous-neo-nazi-opblitzkrieg-antisec.htm

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The hacktivists said they also hacked Kelso's credit card and made donations to anti-fascist organisations, such as the Anti-Defamation League.

Absolutely beautiful. I rarely heap praise on anonymous, but this is a pretty damn good idea from them.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #1460 on: February 02, 2012, 06:04:00 pm »

Well most charities would just give the money straight back if it was a donation from credit fraud anyway.  Although they do seem to have genuinely done something other than just put a website down for a few hours this time.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #1461 on: February 02, 2012, 06:15:18 pm »

Paul... You mean the neo-nazi?

Obama... You mean the communist?

Ron Paul is firmly linked the the founders of Stormfront and the American Nazi Party as well as several Grand Dragons of the KKK. He published a racist news letter for a decade, and a subpena was requested regarding his involvement in the white supremacist coupe attempt in the Dominican republic. He firmly stands against the 14th and 24th amendments and has voted against every civil rights legislation he has had the opportunity to.

Why do you think that Obama is a communist? What has he done to even be even tangentially tied to that label?


But this line of questioning has already been covered and is mostly off topic.

He happens to be supported by racists. That makes him no more racist then any other American politician.

About eight newsletters out of several thousand hand racist content, coincidentally occurring when he was actually running his medical practice. Poor management yes, but hardly proof of racism.

Obama is supported by communists, too. He was, after all supported by the American Communist party, the communist youth league, etc. Does this make him a communist? Hardly, but people don't seem to make the same connections with him as they do with Paul, despite the two being functionally no different.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #1462 on: February 02, 2012, 06:24:41 pm »

He happens to be supported by racists. That makes him no more racist then any other American politician.

About eight newsletters out of several thousand hand racist content, coincidentally occurring when he was actually running his medical practice. Poor management yes, but hardly proof of racism.

Obama is supported by communists, too. He was, after all supported by the American Communist party, the communist youth league, etc. Does this make him a communist? Hardly, but people don't seem to make the same connections with him as they do with Paul, despite the two being functionally no different.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/290374/20120131/ron-paul-anonymous-neo-nazi-opblitzkrieg-antisec.htm
Actually, how about you do some research instead of just being a fool, Ron Paul is a documented, verified white supremacist who has deep ties with neo-nazi organizations and funders, and also happens to golf and buddy around with the same people.

Go find me some documented evidence of Obama being a socialist/communist (doubt you could even name the difference) or just shut up. Misinformation such as yours leads to people like Grand Wizard Paul being able to silently stay in the national spotlight and act like a saint, while his real views and policies are hidden, as they would be disastrous to any nation, especially the US.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #1463 on: February 02, 2012, 06:26:30 pm »

Sorry, but having regular documented in person and telephone strategy meetings with leaders of the racist movements and being implicated as a conspirator in the attempted overthrow of the Dominican Republic by white supremacists goes far far beyond just happening to be supported by racists.

Name one thing, just one, that Obama has actually done that qualifies him as a communist. Can you show, even a little, that he consulted with those communist groups directly and personally and that they consulted with him?
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #1464 on: February 02, 2012, 06:26:59 pm »

It is unethical to allow children, who are demonstrably not rational actors, the 'right' to 'enter the labor force'.
We can't allow people to make decisions for themselves, they might do something wrong!
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #1465 on: February 02, 2012, 06:39:23 pm »

It is unethical to allow children, who are demonstrably not rational actors, the 'right' to 'enter the labor force'.
We can't allow people to make decisions for themselves, they might do something wrong!

I find it difficult to argue with you if you insist on ignoring the content of the statement you are arguing against. Children are not intelligent or experienced enough to be effective workers, and allowing them to be employed would inevitably result in large-scale abuses.

You somehow interpret this as some kind of absolutist government policy applying to everyone.

I truly hope you were being satirical and I've merely misinterpreted a well-meaning joke.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #1466 on: February 02, 2012, 06:40:50 pm »

He happens to be supported by racists. That makes him no more racist then any other American politician.

About eight newsletters out of several thousand hand racist content, coincidentally occurring when he was actually running his medical practice. Poor management yes, but hardly proof of racism.

Obama is supported by communists, too. He was, after all supported by the American Communist party, the communist youth league, etc. Does this make him a communist? Hardly, but people don't seem to make the same connections with him as they do with Paul, despite the two being functionally no different.

Anonymous also claims that the organisation has links with Republican candidate Ron Paul. "We found a disturbingly high number of members who are also involved in campaigning for Ron Paul," the statement said, adding that Paul had regularly met with many party members and even engaged in conference calls with its board of directors.

Read more: http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/290374/20120131/ron-paul-anonymous-neo-nazi-opblitzkrieg-antisec.htm#ixzz1lGobjR3x

Actually, how about you do some research instead of just being a fool, Ron Paul is a documented, verified white supremacist who has deep ties with neo-nazi organizations and funders, and also happens to golf and buddy around with the same people.

Go find me some documented evidence of Obama being a socialist/communist (doubt you could even name the difference) or just shut up. Misinformation such as yours leads to people like Grand Wizard Paul being able to silently stay in the national spotlight and act like a saint, while his real views and policies are hidden, as they would be disastrous to any nation, especially the US.

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Anonymous also claims that the organisation has links with Republican candidate Ron Paul. "We found a disturbingly high number of members who are also involved in campaigning for Ron Paul," the statement said, adding that Paul had regularly met with many party members and even engaged in conference calls with its board of directors.

Notice "MEMBERS OF". In other words, racist who have connections to Ron Paul, not Ron Paul with connections to racists. An actual racist this does not make.

Furthermore, the second article says:
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"Paul is a white nationalist of the Stormfront type who has always kept his racial views and his views about world Judaism quiet because of his political position," he added.


Views about world Judaism? Funny, the thing he puts above all else is a school of economics called the Austrian school, which was founded almost exclusively by Jews. Ludwig von Mises, Murray Rothbard, etc, are all very much Jewish. Calling him anti-semetic is just silly.
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Sorry, but having regular documented in person and telephone strategy meetings with leaders of the racist movements and being implicated as a conspirator in the attempted overthrow of the Dominican Republic by white supremacists goes far far beyond just happening to be supported by racists.

Implicated in the overthrow of the Dominican Republic? Please, educate me. I would think he'd be in jail for that if he did.
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Name one thing, just one, that Obama has actually done that qualifies him as a communist. Can you show, even a little, that he consulted with those communist groups directly and personally and that they consulted with him?

Well, okay, if you want

http://www.aim.org/aim-column/obamas-communist-mentor/
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In his biography of Barack Obama, David Mendell writes about Obama’s life as a
“secret smoker” and how he “went to great lengths to conceal the habit.” But
what about Obama’s secret political life? It turns out that Obama’s childhood
mentor, Frank Marshall Davis, was a communist.

In
his books, Obama admits attending “socialist conferences” and coming into
contact with Marxist literature. But he ridicules the charge of being a
“hard-core academic Marxist,” which was made by his colorful and outspoken 2004
U.S. Senate opponent, Republican Alan Keyes.

However,
through Frank Marshall Davis, Obama had an admitted relationship with someone
who was publicly identified as a member of the Communist Party USA (CPUSA). The
record shows that Obama was in Hawaii from 1971-1979, where,
at some point in time, he developed a close relationship, almost like a son,
with Davis, listening to his “poetry” and getting
advice on his career path. But Obama, in his book, Dreams From My Father, refers to him repeatedly as just “Frank.”

Mind, I don't think Obama is actually a communist anymore then I think Paul is a Nazi. I brought it up to make a point; associations with an objectionable individual does not a racist/communist/etc make.

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Actually, I would advise you read those emails yourself, seeing as how some Anons kindly released them. The connection is remarkably weak for all the flair put on it. Some nuts call up some other nuts and say "SUPPORT RON PAUL" and suddenly RON PAUL IS EVIL. Actually, Kelso, the EVIL RON PAUL SUPPORTING RACIST, was actually basically forced out of CPAC by Ron Paul supporters;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCdBrAalghY&feature=player_embedded
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #1467 on: February 02, 2012, 06:42:12 pm »

Really, that's your example?  A black-helicopter freak's "analysis" of Obama's book, written nearly a year before he was elected President?

I truly hope you were being satirical and I've merely misinterpreted a well-meaning joke.

Yes, they were all being satirical, making fun of some economist who was dead fucking serious that child-labor laws were unfair to children.

I know this is a long thread, but my advice to everyone is to hang around and pay attention, you pick it up eventually.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #1468 on: February 02, 2012, 06:45:52 pm »

Really, that's your example?  A black-helicopter freak's "analysis" of Obama's book, written nearly a year before he was elected President?

I truly hope you were being satirical and I've merely misinterpreted a well-meaning joke.

Yes, they were all being satirical, making fun of some economist who was dead fucking serious that child-labor laws were unfair to children.

I know this is a long thread, but my advice to everyone is to hang around and pay attention, you pick it up eventually.

Really? Those newsletters written decades ago with little actual connection to the candidate himself are your example?

Again, I don't think Obama's a communist, I'm just exposing the poor logic being used here which can just as easily label Obama as one.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #1469 on: February 02, 2012, 06:47:11 pm »

Really, that's your example?  A black-helicopter freak's "analysis" of Obama's book, written nearly a year before he was elected President?

I find his lack of knowledge on the subject amusing, so I'm not even going to bother with it anymore. Ron Paul is a neo-nazi, no matter how others try and try to ignore it.
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