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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #840 on: January 12, 2012, 11:15:30 pm »

The word socialism is a victim of the war against language.
Language is a known tool of terrorists.  :P
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #841 on: January 12, 2012, 11:22:16 pm »

The word socialism is a victim of the war against language.
Language is a known tool of terrorists.  :P
And libraries are terrorist training grounds.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #842 on: January 12, 2012, 11:27:46 pm »

Public library funding is taking hits in some places in the states...
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #843 on: January 13, 2012, 02:18:31 am »

Also, why doesn't USA have left wing parties?

The answer is because they do, of course.

Just thought I'd address this one. From an outside perspective... you really don't, unless you count fringe groups like the omnipresent "Green party" every country seems to have. Your "left-wing" party is only barely left of the UK's most right-wing party, and more right-wing than any of the non-nutjob parties in Australia. In a vaccum, without reference to any other parties, I would consider them to be moderate.

You, as a nation, seem to have squeezed all the rednecks, religious extremists and corporation-ists (I'm sure there's a better word I could use there) into one big "Jesus, Guns and Corporations" party. They are completely united on their core values and will not budge an inch. The Democrats on the other hand seem mostly sane, but seem to consist of the "Everyone else" party. As a result they seem to have no core values, and make concessions all the time, resulting in Republican gains in most cases. I couldn't live with a system like that, and I can totally see why it drove Toady to make Liberal Crime Squad  :)

Nah. Their center is just to the right of ours. Doesn't mean they don't have leftists (as frustrating as it must be being a "European" lefter over there). They even have a Communist Party, for god's sake. You might as well say Europe don't have right wing parties.


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« Reply #844 on: January 13, 2012, 02:20:42 am »

They even have a Communist Party, for god's sake.

What part of "unless you count fringe groups" was hard to understand?
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #845 on: January 13, 2012, 02:28:55 am »

"Fringe" indicates being really small and/or isolated more than just at the end of the spectrum, and I've seen you Americans here talk about the commies as one of the parties that would stand a chance to get into the... House-thing (I forget the name of your reichstag, it's really early) if the system were less two-party centric.

Also, what's with the attitude?
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« Reply #846 on: January 13, 2012, 02:30:32 am »

"Fringe" indicates being really small and/or isolated more than just at the end of the spectrum, and I've seen you Americans here talk about the commies as one of the parties that would stand a chance to get into the... House-thing (I forget the name of your reichstag, it's really early) if the system were less two-party centric.

Er... we have? I don't think any Communist Party has much of a stronghold at all in the US.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #847 on: January 13, 2012, 02:32:45 am »

"Fringe" indicates being really small and/or isolated more than just at the end of the spectrum, and I've seen you Americans here talk about the commies as one of the parties that would stand a chance to get into the... House-thing (I forget the name of your reichstag, it's really early) if the system were less two-party centric.

Er... we have? I don't think any Communist Party has much of a stronghold at all in the US.
CPUSA is the largest communist party in the nation. They have 2,000 members. I have no idea how anyone could ever think communists could get elected in the US, two-party system or otherwise.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #848 on: January 13, 2012, 02:35:38 am »

American politics generally considers anybody in favor of government-planned economics (to an extent dependent on the amount of fear-mongering desired - at some point, the word gets used without any basis at all) communist. The actual Communist Party isn't actually what's being referred to, as a general rule, so much as a nebulous group of people who Want To Take Your Money.

It's basically a buzzword meant to smear people, because the Cold War was a thing that happened and people have had a hard time getting past that.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #849 on: January 13, 2012, 02:36:04 am »

Because the right-wing fringe will accuse anyone to the left of them as being communists. Plus there was that whole Cold War/McCarthy thing.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #850 on: January 13, 2012, 02:37:50 am »

Ugh, there's now ads for Ron Paul on Youtube, and it's the usual BS. Thank the gods (fictional or otherwise) they're skipable.
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« Reply #851 on: January 13, 2012, 02:50:13 am »

"Fringe" indicates being really small and/or isolated more than just at the end of the spectrum, and I've seen you Americans here talk about the commies as one of the parties that would stand a chance to get into the... House-thing (I forget the name of your reichstag, it's really early) if the system were less two-party centric.

Also, what's with the attitude?

As has been said, "Commie" is a smear used by the right-wing in this country to refer to Democrats or other centerish left groups. The Communist Party itself is rather irrelevant. More so than even other 3rd Parties.
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« Reply #852 on: January 13, 2012, 02:51:02 am »

It's basically a buzzword meant to smear people, because the Cold War was a thing that happened and people have had a hard time getting past that.
This. The US was saturated with anti-Soviet, anti-communism propaganda for three quarters of a century. It isn't an issue of ideals or ideas, it's an issue of multiple generations growing up and living their entire lives with the ever-present messages about the communist bogeymen. Complete with government witch-hunts of anyone suspected to be or sympathize with communists, in the form of the House Un-American Activities Committee.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #853 on: January 13, 2012, 02:54:36 am »

Communist in the US is the word for anyone to the left of you.  So if you are a member of the Alaskan Independence Party (my suggested slogan for them: "We don't need your stinkin' handouts!") then you run on a platform of accusing the republican and libertarians of being communists.  If you are a libertarian, you call the republicans and democrats communist.  Etc.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #854 on: January 13, 2012, 02:58:33 am »

Well, I guess I was wrong. I blame you for misleading innocent Swedish youths with your false insinuations.

By the way, your CPUSA fails at commie names. Our main communist party is called "the Communist Party the Marxist-Leninists (the Revolutionaries)", and no, I did not add any "the" that aren't there (though in Swedish the definite article-makers go at the end so it sounds slightly better... But omly slightly!). Now that's a properly awkward name for commies. You still have much to learn, America.
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