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Author Topic: American Election Megathread - It's Over  (Read 763404 times)

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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #720 on: January 10, 2012, 02:25:15 pm »

The Poor Elephant's name was Newt, and he was in a fight something fierce for the Best Elephant in America contest, but he done spent all his money and people were all ignorin' him and looking at this real fancy elephant named Mitt. Well, a Rich Elephant by the name of Sheldon was a friend of Newt's, and he come up with a plan. By the rules, he couldn't give Newt any more money. But he could give money to a group of people who would go out and sing "We Love Newt, Newt is neat, Newt is the best elephant on the street!" and "Mitt is ugly, Mitt has a cough, Mitt made his money laying people off" all day long. So this group went on down to South Carolina and put a singer on every street corner. And that's how the Rich Elephant tried to buy a whole state for his good friend the Poor Elephant.

That's goin' in the OP.

No shit. Sheldon Adelson, casino tycoon and friend of Gingrich, dropped a cool $5 million into a Gingrich-aligned SuperPAC, which then turned around and spent $3.4 million in ad buys in South Carolina. According to the numbers I heard, that means the average TV viewer in South Carolina will see their ad some 70 times a day. For some comparison, Adelson put in $5 million in one go into the SuperPAC. Bachmann didn't raise that much money in an entire quarter. And Adelson's maximum personal contribution to the Gingrich campaign proper was $5,000. So he's only getting around it to the tune of 1000x his contribution limit.

This isn't even all of the context you could give it.  The 2008 Democratic primary was the biggest funded primary ever in South Carolina.  Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton each spent about $1.5Million.  Newt Gingrich, who isn't anywhere close to the lead, is prepared to drop more than both of them combined thanks to one guy, who we only even know about because he was willing to say so of his own accord.

There's already a feeling out there that it may be exactly this kind of dynamic that finally gets a more solid law or even a genuine amendment (or at least a serious attempt at one) for controls of campaign spending at least, if not donations and PACs.  Not necessarily because of the inherent shadiness of it, but the inanity.  This cycle around, it's looking like both the Democratic and Republican campaigns and their aligned PACs are likely to spend around a billion dollars each on advertising.  Five million bucks is buying Gingrich enough airtime for the Nielsen average viewer to see "his" messages that don't even have his name on them seventy times a day.  There's a point of diminishing returns that was already seen in Iowa - there's only so many times you can advertise a candidate, especially with non-TV methods like mailers and autodialers (the average Iowan was getting something like six calls a night by the end) before you've not only saturated the market, but you start pissing off voters, especially your all-important swing voters who may decide to not vote at all.

In the end, it might not be principle or honesty that brings controls on American elections, but irritation and disgust when the Silent Majority says, "Enough is enough, stop with the goddamn ads."
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #721 on: January 10, 2012, 03:16:38 pm »

Happy to help.  :D

And yeah, I gotta think after 70 times a day the ads are not only going to lose their impact, they're going to become meme fodder.

I can't decide which would be better:
1. Gingrich STILL got steamrolled in South Carolina by Romney, thus hopefully sending a message that massive influxes of cash can't fix a broken candidate, or
2. Gingrich rebounds huge, thus demonstrating what a corrupting influence allowing that kind of SuperPAC shenanigans has on elections and hopefully encouraging politicians to fix it quick. Cause otherwise future races will be all about who can get enough various uber-rich kingmakers on their side. The "little guy" won't amount to squat.



EDIT: Epic LOL on the Perry Alamo thing. Cue "WHAT? We lost that one? Uhh..I meant...it's like that 300 movie where them Greek fellas fought off like a zillion I-ranians and that big freaky dude."  :P
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #722 on: January 10, 2012, 03:40:54 pm »

#2 would be awesome. The US would turn into some weird medieval-capitalist hybrid. Cue a game of thrones!
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« Reply #723 on: January 10, 2012, 03:46:42 pm »

The key is that if those ads are ATTACK ads, and your name isn't associated with them, guess who's going to end up getting the negative impact from them becoming frustratingly common or even being frustratingly bad?

Actually, I wonder how long it will take the super pacs to start running campaigns FOR a (opposed) politician that are so bad people decide not to vote for them because of it.
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« Reply #724 on: January 10, 2012, 03:59:37 pm »

#2 would be awesome. The US would turn into some weird medieval-capitalist hybrid. Cue a game of thrones!

Yay for Feudal Capitalism. It'd kind of be like the Sengoku, where daimyo needed the support of the growing merchant classes to feed and equip their armies. Only instead of samurai fighting it out in awesome katana duels, we'd have spin doctors and pundits yelling at each other on cable TV news programs. Way less cool.

@GlyphGryph: According to Ron Paul supporters, those anti-Huntsman ads in NH are exactly what you're describing -- a false-flag operation running a commercial so patently offensive that it's designed to backfire. Who knows? Thanks to the joke of campaign finance reform and the nature of Youtube, it's the Wild Motherfuckin' West now. Hell, I could hack together some clips of Santorum to make it look like he's saying "I love to take it in the ass" and then slap on Vote Romney at the end.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #725 on: January 10, 2012, 04:15:44 pm »

Yay for Feudal Capitalism. It'd kind of be like the Sengoku, where daimyo needed the support of the growing merchant classes to feed and equip their armies. Only instead of samurai fighting it out in awesome katana duels, we'd have spin doctors and pundits yelling at each other on cable TV news programs. Way less cool.

You know what needs to be done. Introduce melee to the debates. A challenge of both wit and weaponry!
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #726 on: January 10, 2012, 04:21:13 pm »

You know what needs to be done. Introduce melee to the debates. A challenge of both wit and weaponry!

"I believe my esteemed opponent fights like a dairy farmer."

"How appropriate then that the gentleman fights like a cow."
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #727 on: January 10, 2012, 04:22:24 pm »

Hell, I could hack together some clips of Santorum to make it look like he's saying "I love to take it in the ass" and then slap on Vote Romney at the end.

Do It!
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #728 on: January 10, 2012, 04:24:10 pm »

You know what needs to be done. Introduce melee to the debates. A challenge of both wit and weaponry!

"I believe my esteemed opponent fights like a dairy farmer."

"How appropriate then that the gentleman fights like a cow."

It will be great fun untill somebody brings a gun.
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« Reply #729 on: January 10, 2012, 04:25:59 pm »

You know what needs to be done. Introduce melee to the debates. A challenge of both wit and weaponry!

"I believe my esteemed opponent fights like a dairy farmer."

"How appropriate then that the gentleman fights like a cow."

It will be great fun untill somebody brings a gun.

And then, say hello to President Perry.  Suddenly this doesn't seem like such a hot idea.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #730 on: January 10, 2012, 04:33:10 pm »

You simply need to add bullet-cleaving to your Elite Liberal Katana Training Programme.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #731 on: January 10, 2012, 04:36:07 pm »

Well, it is New Hampshire primary season, and if things carry on like early voting - Obama is the real winner of the Republican primary.

No shit. In a "useless" race where Obama is running unopposed in the Democratic primary, he is still drawing more votes than almost all the Republicans combined in the open primary. Most Independents are voting Republican to actually have a say. Obviously New England is typically liberal territory, but this doesn't bode well for the Republican chances up north.
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« Reply #732 on: January 10, 2012, 04:42:47 pm »

I'd like to see how the results look when more than 23 votes are cast, but it's no secret that Obama is using this time to build up his organization. I'm not sure what effect Citizens United will have on the main race, but if Obama can attract the kinds of money and grassroots support he had in 2008 then he'll have no problem with the upcoming election, especially if the Republicans keep trying their hardest to burn each other to the ground.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #733 on: January 10, 2012, 04:51:22 pm »

Well, it is New Hampshire primary season, and if things carry on like early voting - Obama is the real winner of the Republican primary.

No shit. In a "useless" race where Obama is running unopposed in the Democratic primary, he is still drawing more votes than almost all the Republicans combined in the open primary. Most Independents are voting Republican to actually have a say. Obviously New England is typically liberal territory, but this doesn't bode well for the Republican chances up north.
I've been seeing a number of  reports that primary turnout is way down compared to 2008. Dunno if it's a sign of voter apathy about the field of candidates, or resignation that Obama is getting four more years (thanks to the field of candidates).
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #734 on: January 10, 2012, 05:58:52 pm »

Melee debates makes an MZ-for-president scenario much more likely. :P
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