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Author Topic: American Election Megathread - It's Over  (Read 764336 times)

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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #615 on: January 08, 2012, 01:50:00 pm »

We'll know the Iranians have moved "back" in when their lightspeed movement causes massive disruptions to the atmosphere, causing implosion effects in Tehran. Not to mention if they're not careful and don't take into account the curvature of the Earth, the Quds Brigade will end up somewhere in low Earth orbit.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #616 on: January 08, 2012, 01:57:19 pm »

*Imagines the doppler shifting in the ululating noise of several thousand Iranian infantry passing by at 95% of c*...

He seriously said he wanted troops sent back in? He actually wants to get elected doent he, or is it one big piss take? Or, does no one credible fancy taking on an incumbent president with with the economy as shafted as it is just incase they win?

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« Reply #617 on: January 08, 2012, 02:12:47 pm »

I think the issue is that Perry is just stupid. He doesn't seem to understand that the whole country hasn't been gerrymandered to provide power to the far right like texas..
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« Reply #618 on: January 08, 2012, 03:24:11 pm »

The funny part is that if he's right, the Iranian to control of the whole of Iraq some when between his first and second syllable.

Did you by accident a word or two?
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #619 on: January 08, 2012, 03:26:27 pm »

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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #620 on: January 08, 2012, 03:52:22 pm »

In all honesty, Perry has no political experience. With the way Texas's government is set up, the office of governor is little more than a figure head. The Texas legislature is where all the action goes on. Perry consistently proves this void whenever he opens his mouth.

Remind me again why he's still in the race.

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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #621 on: January 08, 2012, 04:29:19 pm »

In all seriousness, because god told him so.

In backdoor sinuous circumstances, he makes other conservatives, namely Romney, look less ludicrous in comparison.

Going back to what we discussed earlier: Has Obama waged a War on Religion?

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« Reply #622 on: January 08, 2012, 04:31:16 pm »

After watching the debates

I like Huntsman the best
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« Reply #623 on: January 08, 2012, 05:16:16 pm »

Going back to what we discussed earlier: Has Obama waged a War on Religion?

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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #624 on: January 08, 2012, 05:22:18 pm »

I think the message was, "Don't care what the other side does, just do what you want to do."

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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #625 on: January 08, 2012, 05:25:40 pm »

Going back to what we discussed earlier: Has Obama waged a War on Religion?

And this is where things get complicated.

Bear with me here, I think I'll arrive at a point at the end.

1. The constitution is for the most part structured to support "negative" rights, ie. the right to free speech, it means you cannot be censored by the government for saying what you believe. A notable exception to this is the right to bear arms, but it still fits as it does not obligate others to aid you in exercising these rights. The idea of "negative" rights is favoured by most classical liberals such as Objectivists (But please let's leave them out of this, they're only an example) and Libertartians.

2. Following the civil rights movement of the 60s and the passage of the various civil rights bills people now have "positive" rights, which are the right to do certain things. ie black people have the right to be treated the same as white people. This view is endorsed by the "progressive" movement which wants the government to guarantee equality, not protect rights.

3. This is where the problem emerges, people have the right not to be forced to work for all people if they don't wish to. ie a store can refuse to sell to black people. They can do this because it does not violate any "negative" rights because traditionally one did not have the right to eat at a certain restaurant. However civil rights legislation says you do, which leads to fun in the supreme court as the libertarians and progressives argue over which side has primacy on this issue.

4. And that is what we see in the above article. The church has freedom to follow its religious requirements, but according to the law the people also have the right to get contraception from their counselors.

So can a church be compelled to violate its' religious beliefs to make certain that the people have access to contraception?

If Obama says yes then he is violating their right to freedom of religion, unless there is a ruling somewhere like the one we have here in Canada that you have the right to freedom of religious belief but not to religious action. However if he does not guarantee said people access to contraception then he comes under fire from the progressives who elected him. In short he chose to further alienate those who dislike him, instead of those who are voting for him.

There is also mention of pulling government funding for these programs. Is this a problem? Not in my opinion. The government is looking to make sure all the services they want are provided, and if a church cannot provide them then the government should find someone else to do it. However if they are dropped because of their religion then it is an issue.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #626 on: January 08, 2012, 05:27:48 pm »

More of that. There's the saying that both sides are taking away the liberties of the others, then the "If you don't want to serve the public, don't open a business saying you will serve the public" -the conservatives whining because they won't get federal money to discriminate against gays and abortions... and finally the inference of the article which is "No, Obama is not having a War on Religion you stupid dumbasses".

@Zrk2: See what you say is right, the problem is that they have had federal funding, which was then revoked.

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« Reply #627 on: January 08, 2012, 06:03:53 pm »

If Obama says yes then he is violating their right to freedom of religion, unless there is a ruling somewhere like the one we have here in Canada that you have the right to freedom of religious belief but not to religious action.
There is, in fact, exactly such a ruling.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #628 on: January 08, 2012, 06:13:11 pm »

Well... that's gotta be a pretty obvious ruling.  Otherwise you could have people sacrificing children to their god legally.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #629 on: January 08, 2012, 06:17:27 pm »

Or polygamy, which is the reason Utah took so long to become a state.
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