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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #495 on: January 05, 2012, 04:38:25 pm »

Yeah, but he wasn't President of Israel. Something like 75-80% of Americans hated him by the time he left office.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #496 on: January 05, 2012, 04:41:23 pm »

Gingrich only really supports Israel because he is an evangelical christian and the state of Israel with Jerusalem as its capital is a prerequisite for the apocalypse that he prays for.
Well support is support, and besides, Bush is an evangelical christian and we (Israel) loved him as a president.

e, Honestly I don't care if it's him, Romney or any other pro-Israel republican. Romney sounds less radical, which is a Good Thing.

Obama is actually more pro Israel than Gingrich because he advocates a peace process that isn't likely to result in the self destruction of Israel.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #497 on: January 05, 2012, 07:36:22 pm »

Conservatives only want to be left alone when it's their money or their religious beliefs. When it's all about crushing some minorities right to equal treatment, why, bring on the Federal Gov't!

That's why I can't stand the small gov't crap. At least Dems stand behind the value of gov't for good or ill....Republicans want their cake and they want to eat it too.
It's only the Republican "small" government that's really that bad. They don't actually support small government.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #498 on: January 05, 2012, 08:37:44 pm »

I'm registered Independent, so I can't vote in the primaries. Still, posting to follow topic.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #499 on: January 05, 2012, 11:09:56 pm »

I...America, we need to have a talk.

TL;DR: Santorum wants a constitutional amendment makes marriage legally only marriage when between a man and a woman, and to ban porn.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #500 on: January 05, 2012, 11:15:10 pm »

"Look, government needs to back off and let businesses and people do what they want!  Let's shut down the porn industry to prevent people from enjoying themselves or marrying who they choose!"
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #501 on: January 05, 2012, 11:18:23 pm »

The thing that strikes me is that at this point a lot of the candidates are just spouting off what they think people want to hear, and only Ron Paul, that I know of, has worked towards his ideals consistently since before the campaign.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #502 on: January 05, 2012, 11:24:43 pm »

I...America, we need to have a talk.

TL;DR: Santorum wants a constitutional amendment makes marriage legally only marriage when between a man and a woman, and to ban porn.
And the sad part is that the latter is going to get more of a spark out of people than the fromer
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #503 on: January 05, 2012, 11:40:35 pm »

Perry was popular until he started screwing up his debates.
Cain was popular until it was revealed that he's a deceitful lecher.
Gingrich was popular until people realized that he's corrupt and horrible at hiding it.

I'm hoping that within a week or two, I can add this one.

Santorum was popular until he tried preaching inequality and the banning of porn.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #504 on: January 05, 2012, 11:53:07 pm »

And the sad part is that the latter is going to get more of a spark out of people than the fromer
Nngh... because the latter is a multi-billion dollar industry with gods only know how many lobbyists. That's basically the sole reason banning it's more unlikely than the former.

So, question. Anyone have any thoughts as to what this Santorum fellow is actually doing? It's reached the point where every few hours this thread is giving another display of him committing political (and social, really) suicide; if that's even remotely representative of what's going down in wider media, the dude's basically dead. I, personally, have trouble believing that the fellow is genuinely that mindbogglingly stupid; I think I genuinely don't buy that someone that's managed to rustle up millions worth of backing can be an actual, full blown, idiot. It just doesn't seem to follow. I'm not even saying the guy might not believe what he's saying; I'm saying he's not stupid enough to not know what the public reaction to those kind of statements would be. Either him or his handlers (for sake of my sanity :-\) have to be aiming for something else.

I mean, yeah, people are people and people can be stupid, but it'd seem to me that the writing's not just on the wall, it's been painted on with rapidly flashing neon/florescent paint, that's screaming out its message in every language on earth and about fifteen invented specifically for that moment, while tap-dancing Morse code on the guy's skull and massaging braille into his rectum. This isn't stuff you just miss.

So. Any conjectures as to what the actual intent could be? Is it just trying to go down in flames? Drawing attention from something else? Just trying to add to the media furor so actually important shit gets drowned out? Trying to make the other candidates look better? Something else? Without going into full blown conspiracy madness, is there any conceivable reason to be taking this sort of path? The path to the presidency doesn't seem to be something you'd just... go and do, willy nilly. There's gotta' be intent, somewhere in there.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #505 on: January 06, 2012, 12:18:05 am »

I'm gonna go with a bad case of stupid.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #506 on: January 06, 2012, 12:25:09 am »

He's probably trying to attract all the crazies to him so that when he does go down, he can gift them to the candidate of his choosing and maybe make someone the Republican candidate.  Or kill their chances completely.  Who knows?

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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #507 on: January 06, 2012, 12:25:56 am »

Ahem.

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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #508 on: January 06, 2012, 12:40:32 am »

Well, Frumple, consider this. Rick Santorum basically lived in Iowa for five months, campaigning all the while. He has done almost nothing anywhere else. This caused him to do so well that he lost to Mitt Romney, who had done almost nothing by comparison. He was high up because everyone else fizzled out and those who supported the other candidates had to pick someone if they wanted to vote. Santorum was drowned out by the other idiots, but then he was thrown into the limelight. It just so turns out that he's got a bad case of vampire skin, and not the sparkly kind.

He's probably trying to attract all the crazies to him so that when he does go down, he can gift them to the candidate of his choosing and maybe make someone the Republican candidate.
The cynic in me agrees with you. on this.

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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #509 on: January 06, 2012, 12:42:41 am »

Just trying to add to the media furor so actually important shit gets drowned out?
I hadn't thought about this much before your post, but if I had to guess, I'd say this one is probably it. If there's one thing you can count on in this situation*, it's attempts to use emotional appeals and manufactured controversy to distract from the major issues in the campaign this year (which I'd wager are primarily economic), along with unhealthy doses of nonsequitur-based reasoning (like the kind that asserts that homosexuals are responsible for economic problems).

*The non-incumbent party has no particularly charismatic candidates willing to risk running in this race, and nearly every legitimate issue they could bring up (mostly based on Obama's failure to accomplish goals he's set out) is fairly obviously a result of their own obstruction in the legislature. Obstruction which has been extremely public, more importantly. Most things that Democrats dislike about Obama, which is the primary group that Republicans might want to count on, are actions that echo the policies of the Republicans or which the Republican candidates would otherwise like to do themselves, so they can't exactly campaign on the basis of things like the expansion of the Executive Branch's power.
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