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[alexandertnt]

Honestly I don't see why the Americans are so against raising taxes. Given how the deficit is almost a national crisis you'd think everybody would be fine with increased taxes, especially since you could always lower taxes afterwards.

you'd think everybody would be fine with increased taxes, especially since you could always lower taxes afterwards.

especially since you could always lower taxes afterwards.

Are you insane? Maybe it's a bit different wherever you come from, but the US Government, once it raises taxes, never cuts them again!

Whaaat? If that were the case, the total sum of the tax increases since the formation of the US Government ("never" is a word with meaning) would be above 100%, an impossibility. Some people seem to think that taxs have been going up forever, despite the evidence to the contrary. In actual reality, the opposite is true. Graphs:

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It was more, "We're going to keep these guys from passing their socialist, unconstitutional infringements on the people."

Yay, more Straw Men. Using loaded words such as socialist (to invoke their loaded meaning, not ther real meaning) pretty much invalidates a point straight out. Thankfully we have the Republicans to pass such wonderful things as the PATRIOT act to save us from the evil socialist communist's. I thought the red scare was over now.

Most people from outside of America go when anyone gets accused of being a socialist/communist, considering the people usually accused are more right-wing than the average politician in many other countries. Something like "Obamacare" for example, where almost every other first world country has a significantly larger public care system, is a considerably watered down universal health care "system" that for difficult to understand reasons is apparently socialist.

[Cthulhu]

"Socialist" is barely a word anymore.  Eisenhower, a Republican, had the top bracket tax rates at like 90%, and also was the first to warn against the military-industrial complex, pretty prophetic.  By modern Republican standards he'd be a pinko but you know, if the Republicans were worshiping Saint Ike instead of Saint Ronnie, I might've voted for them.  Wouldn't have been Romney though.

In other news, I just realized obama_fries.mp3 has been playing on repeat for the last like ten minutes.

[GoombaGeek]

137,000th view.

aww yeah

[Reelya]

[misko27]

http://www.theonion.com/articles/romney-camp-retooling-campaign-after-latest-setbac,30282/

The ultimate nightmare. A never ending campaign.

[Karlito]

Isn't that the same joke that was in Monday's xkcd?

[Urist Imiknorris]

Pretty much.

[Aqizzar]

There is a minor error in my addition to the OP from this morning.  I'm debating whether to change it.

Meanwhile, I'm making obama_fries my new ringtone.  If you don't hear from me again, know that I died for the most noble cause.  Irony.


EDIT: There was a typo in my post about a typo.  I am on a goddamn roll today.

[Karlito]

And here I was wondering which of the Presidential candidates was under 21.

[Max White]

The typo concerning the typo has been spell checked and confirmed to not contain a typo. Please do not contact us over any spelling errors you may encounter, as we assume you, this is due to user error.
Fank yoo fer you're tiem.

[Zrk2]

There is a minor error in my addition to the OP from this morning.  I'm debating whether to change it.

Meanwhile, I'm making obama_fries my new ringtone.  If you don't hear from me again, know that I died for the most noble cause.  Irony.


EDIT: There was a typo in my post about a typo.  I am on a goddamn roll today.

Aw yiss. Mutha fuckin' irony! It's my favourite.

Isn't that ironic?

[Trollheiming]

The real irony of this election won't hit until Bush will be still to blame for the economy in 2016. Meanwhile, loving my avatar.

[Max White]

How long does it take for US economic policy to fix the worlds economy anyway? I mean seriously, you would expect a man to be able to have a tangible effect within four years, right? And it isn't like there are outside factors messing things up in a global economy, let alone years upon years of bad banking practice.
Fuck Obama had a sweet run, didn't even have a messy war to try and fund.

[Trollheiming]

How long does it take for US economic policy to fix the worlds economy anyway? I mean seriously, you would expect a man to be able to have a tangible effect within four years, right? And it isn't like there are outside factors messing things up in a global economy, let alone years upon years of bad banking practice.
Fuck Obama had a sweet run, didn't even have a messy war to try and fund.

Most recoveries throughout history take only a year from the start of the recession and feature growth of 4-6%. Our 4th quarter GDP growth projections were revised down to 1.3% the day after the election. We're not really even in a classical recovery period. In fact, it's as easy to speculate that we're going in for a double-dip. When you're really hurting, remember that you own this moment.

The reason that other economies are underperforming? High debt loads are interfering with their ability to access the bond markets and borrow. Our policy now? Access the bond markets for $1 trillion a year. Yep. Clearly it's the fault of the rest of the world, because they should not be doing what we're doing even more egregiously.

The iraq war cost about $100 billion a year. That's small potatoes compared to social spending.

[alexandertnt]

The real irony of this election won't hit until Bush will be still to blame for the economy in 2016. Meanwhile, loving my avatar.

Well, if the Democrats could get some tax reforms past (instead of having the Rebublicans block them because they tax the rich more (oh no). Interestingly they are generally OK with taxing the poor) then perhaps we won't have to, as the economy might start to improve. All the silly "reforms" that Bush passed will still be there in 2016...

You are making the assumption that the debt will not change, without backing it up.

Also, what is the purpose of the avatar? My assumption (as is usually the case with things like this) would be an attempt to (through mockery) claim that all the people who disagree with you must "love" Obama, or blindly follow him in some way. It suits your name.

The iraq war cost about $100 billion a year. That's small potatoes compared to social spending.

Some people, myself included, am baffled as to how someone could dismiss spending money on what is effectively a massacre (was the death toll near 100,000 now?) so casually and instead focus on that thing which helps people avoid the poverty cycle.

Stop killing people seems like a better place to start than taking away medical treatment from the old and the poor.

You continue to assume, without reasoning, that cutting social spending is the only option. It is not. People have already given alternatives (some of which you have addressed with fallacies).

How long does it take for US economic policy to fix the worlds economy anyway? I mean seriously, you would expect a man to be able to have a tangible effect within four years, right? And it isn't like there are outside factors messing things up in a global economy, let alone years upon years of bad banking practice.
Fuck Obama had a sweet run, didn't even have a messy war to try and fund.

debt problems are very complex and can take some time to fix. The main thing that is stopping progress is the fact that neither the Democrats, or Republicans can really pass anything. Since 2010 reforms either way have basically been stalled.

Also, I wouldn't call inheriting two wars plus a broken economy a "sweet run".