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[kaijyuu]

To be fair, the Elvis one is an actual intended spoof.

[Reelya]

"I only make spoof mokumentaries about conspiracy theories, but you should totally believe this crazy out there documentary with outlandish never before heard conspiracies about a sitting president."

Seriously, the mokumentary about the moon landing was more believable.

The more I read, the more I think he's yanking the chain. I see tea party heads asplodin' as they decide which conspiracy to believe, since this directly contradicts the Birther conspiracies. Would a loyalist to the anti-Obama cause make up a theory that so soundly destroys one of the key anti-Obama consipracies?

[Shadowlord]

The more I read, the more I think he's yanking the chain. I see tea party heads asplodin' as they decide which conspiracy to believe, since this directly contradicts the Birther conspiracies.

Nah. They'll just believe them both simultaneously.

[Xantalos]

Here is my prediction for who will win.

[SalmonGod]

The more I read, the more I think he's yanking the chain. I see tea party heads asplodin' as they decide which conspiracy to believe, since this directly contradicts the Birther conspiracies.

Nah. They'll just believe them both simultaneously.

There's been a lot of talk over the last few years about the nature of conspiracies, similar to that article.  The thing so many people miss on this subject that I think is really important to recognize is that so many have actually happened.  The CIA especially did so much shit that was so crazy you can bring it up in conversation now and people will still call you a conspiracy theorist, even though it's declassified public information.  It's perfectly understandable for modern people to be in a state of hypersensitivity to conspiracy-like ideas.  Now stuff like lizard people and UFOs is pure crazy.  The birther movement is just angry nitpicking.  But to be critical of something like the official 9/11 story?  Perfectly understandable to me, especially when there's clear historical precedent.

[10ebbor10]

You know, in sensible countries, people could get arrested for doing things like that.

Just adds to my belief that America's entire political system is based on legal corruption.

[Snowblind]

I seriously cannot believe people are this fucking disrespectful to the president. People didn't like Bush, but this shit against Obama is something unprecedented.

ffs, if they don't have respect for the man, they should have respect for the office. They are slandering the commander-in-chief of the USA with some invented conspiracy theory bullshit that holds zero credibility. Some of this shit is bordering on straight-up sedition or treason.

[jester]

I seriously cannot believe people are this fucking disrespectful to the president. People didn't like Bush, but this shit against Obama is something unprecedented.

ffs, if they don't have respect for the man, they should have respect for the office. They are slandering the commander-in-chief of the USA with some invented conspiracy theory bullshit that holds zero credibility. Some of this shit is bordering on straight-up sedition or treason.

One of the big things about living in a democracy is being able to rag on the guy with the top job, maybe its cultural as I am an aussie, but this 'respect for the office' thing seems like manufactured bs.  Really dont get it. 

  Sedition is patriotism.  Though im drunk atm.  seems to be happening alot on this thread these days.

[darkflagrance]

I guess this is why Chinese leaders and other authoritarian rulers care so much about controlling free speech.

Otherwise, suddenly you're the leader of the most powerful nation in the world and powerless to stop people from calling your mother a whore.

[Shadowlord]

Perfectly understandable to me, especially when there's clear historical precedent.

A rejected proposal isn't clear historical precedent for any actual conspiracy being carried out successfully by the country in question.

Even if one was carried out, it would probably still be discovered - take for example Operation Greif, which wasn't even successful.

[SalmonGod]

Perfectly understandable to me, especially when there's clear historical precedent.

A rejected proposal isn't clear historical precedent for any actual conspiracy being carried out successfully by the country in question.

Even if one was carried out, it would probably still be discovered - take for example Operation Greif, which wasn't even successful.

It's kind of an important distinction that it was rejected by a single key person out of many.  It looks to me like it only needed that last signature...

And other conspiracies have been successfully carried out, such as the CIA experimenting on unaware citizens that didn't become known until decades later.  Try MKUltra or Tuskegee syphilis as just a couple examples.  Much of our conspiracy-like involvement in South America's dirty wars was denied until declassified only a few years ago, and many details still hadn't been verified until very recently thanks to Wikileaks... and many of the key political players behind all that mess were very active in Bush Jr's administration.

The point anyway is that it's ample justification for people to imagine that such a thing might be attempted again.

Edit:  Geez... I didn't know that the U.S. had taken those syphilis experiments even farther in Guatemala...  Not revealed until more than 60 years later.

[Nadaka]

http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/19137

Tag Romney owns a big slice of Hart Intercivic, a company that runs voting machines in Ohio.

[palsch]

Another potential voter suppression system.

I got a ticket on Wednesday for changing lanes without signalling. (Yes, Chicago’s coffers are in need of a refill.) Because I’m no longer a motor club member, I no longer have a bond card, the thing you can give the cop instead of your license. So she took my license, and now I’m driving on the ticket.

But here’s the thing: I want to vote early, and to do so in Chicago I’m required to show a government-issued photo i.d.–like, oh, say, my driver’s license, which I won’t have back until I complete traffic safety school and mail them $167. And even if I do that today, there’s very little chance I will receive my license back in the mail before November 6, much less in time to vote early.

As she points out, such traffic stops are far more common against minorities, the elderly and the young.

Thing is, how common is this sort of license confiscation? I've never heard of it before, and if it's only a Chicago thing then it might not be a huge problem. But if it were to become common in places with strong voter ID laws then traffic stops - already casually discriminatory - could become another tool for keeping unwanteds from the polls.

EDIT: So far only thing I've found about this license confiscation is this 2008 article which suggests it exists in several places but is only commonly used in Illinois.

[GlyphGryph]

OR they could just spend the 25 20 dollars on getting a regular ID and use that for voting, I imagine?

Though it does take time, its thankfully much quicker than getting a driver's license, wait-wise.

[Flying Dice]

Yep. You can get a state photo ID fairly easily.