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Author Topic: American Election Megathread - It's Over  (Read 764108 times)

MetalSlimeHunt

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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #6165 on: October 06, 2012, 02:08:56 am »

We also have the Constitution Party, represented in this election by Virgil Goode, whom are more or less proto-fascists. Luckilly, they are even less prolific than the Green Party and Libertarian Party.

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You guys have one of them? Wow. TBH Obama came in at 85%, with Romney 49%. Apparently my immigration opinions are a little like his, which is worrying. Maybe I am some kind of racist in denial.
Maybe, but Europe and the US have a fundamentally different way of looking at immigration. The European states and ethnic groups of today have been around in some format for the past few thousand years, while the United States and Americans (excepting Native Americans) have...not.
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« Reply #6166 on: October 06, 2012, 02:10:27 am »

Who is Jill Stein and why do my super-left Euro values make me match 95% with her?
Apparently, she's the nominee from the Green Party.
I got 85% Jill Stein I'm not as hardcore as MonkeyHead.

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« Reply #6167 on: October 06, 2012, 02:18:53 am »

Apparently, Romney wants to explore space. o.O

Did he actually state an intention to pursue space exploration or are they assuming because of the whole Mormon Space God thing?

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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #6168 on: October 06, 2012, 02:39:57 am »

Oh this site, I took the quiz awhile ago.

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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #6169 on: October 06, 2012, 07:30:14 am »

that's is rather harsh. The basic concepts behind libertarian philosophy are good.  The trouble is that they tend to foccus singlemindedly on a highly abstract economic model that was known to be problematic and lead to corporate despotism and economic inequity even by its creator Adam Smith. If only they bothered to take a deeper look at the realities of economic disenfranchisement and the inevitaable corruption resulting from unregulated markets.
Really I think the "basic concepts" lead naturally into the support for the horrible economic model.  If you start at the premise that the magical powers of FREEDOM and the FREE MARKET would solve all our problems it naturally follows that we should withdraw all support for poor people and eliminate every government service.  It's just that the premise is horribly wrong.
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« Reply #6170 on: October 06, 2012, 08:04:03 am »

This is from a month or so back, but I doubt it's changed;
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EDIT: Romney may have won his debate, but looks like some Republicans are less than keen to repeat the feat.

PA congressional candidate refusing to have the debate recorded. Or appear at the same time as his opponent.

New York congressman refuses to appear at a debate, then threatens to pull advertising from the hosting radio station if they let his opponent appear.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #6171 on: October 06, 2012, 08:36:31 am »

that's is rather harsh. The basic concepts behind libertarian philosophy are good.  The trouble is that they tend to foccus singlemindedly on a highly abstract economic model that was known to be problematic and lead to corporate despotism and economic inequity even by its creator Adam Smith. If only they bothered to take a deeper look at the realities of economic disenfranchisement and the inevitaable corruption resulting from unregulated markets.
Really I think the "basic concepts" lead naturally into the support for the horrible economic model.  If you start at the premise that the magical powers of FREEDOM and the FREE MARKET would solve all our problems it naturally follows that we should withdraw all support for poor people and eliminate every government service.  It's just that the premise is horribly wrong.

Because if there's anything we've learned, its that the GOVERNMENT and EQUALITY can solve complex social issues with ease.
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« Reply #6172 on: October 06, 2012, 08:40:21 am »

According to this website, it seems that I would be voting Gary Johnson 2012. I think it's just because they don't have a credible socialist candidate. Is Obama really that pro stem-cell research?

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« Reply #6173 on: October 06, 2012, 08:51:44 am »

According to this website, it seems that I would be voting Gary Johnson 2012. I think it's just because they don't have a credible socialist candidate. Is Obama really that pro stem-cell research?
Slow burner issue, but yes. He issued an executive order in 2009 that allowed for federal funding of ESC research. This was blocked for a while by a federal judge but he recently won in court in a similar case. Another post focusing on the election.

As for voting Gary Johnson because there isn't a socialist, I'm just going to extinguish this fire with some gasoline because I don't have any water.
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« Reply #6174 on: October 06, 2012, 08:54:38 am »

According to this website, it seems that I would be voting Gary Johnson 2012. I think it's just because they don't have a credible socialist candidate. Is Obama really that pro stem-cell research?
Slow burner issue, but yes. He issued an executive order in 2009 that allowed for federal funding of ESC research. This was blocked for a while by a federal judge but he recently won in court in a similar case.

As for voting Gary Johnson because there isn't a socialist, I'm just going to extinguish this fire with some gasoline because I don't have any water.

I would have said that the ideas of socialism were almost the exact opposites of libertarianism, yeah. It's odd. The website says I side most with Gary Johnson as a candidate but the Socialists as a party. How does that work?
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« Reply #6175 on: October 06, 2012, 09:01:41 am »

I would have said that the ideas of socialism were almost the exact opposite of libertarianism, yeah. It's odd. The website says I side most with Gary Johnson as a candidate but the Socialists as a party. How does that work?
Site sucks?

More seriously, it seems your answers don't line up with socialism that well. I expected it to be based on foreign policy (current socialist and libertarian trends make both sets anti-interventionist, although it's certainly not an inherent property of socialism), but seems you also sided with him on healthcare and domestic policy. Those are areas where socialist answers should have been far more in line with Jill Stein or Obama.

Probably partially due to how the site is divided up, but I'm guessing that the 28% of disagreement with the socialist party are areas where there is a hard socialist/libertarian split, and you seem to be on the libertarian side of much of it. At least as far as those answers go.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #6176 on: October 06, 2012, 09:03:08 am »

Because if there's anything we've learned, its that the GOVERNMENT and EQUALITY can solve complex social issues with ease.
You are cute-but-wrong personified.

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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #6177 on: October 06, 2012, 09:36:07 am »

According to that poll, I would vote for the grandma.
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Obviously I would never vote as I've heard that you have to be an American.
It's discrimination I tell you!
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« Reply #6178 on: October 06, 2012, 09:41:46 am »

Yesterday, A friend of mine said this interesting gem:
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It seems that a Good president comes around once per century. I personally hope that America lasts long enough to see the next one.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #6179 on: October 06, 2012, 09:43:12 am »

I would have said that the ideas of socialism were almost the exact opposites of libertarianism, yeah. It's odd. The website says I side most with Gary Johnson as a candidate but the Socialists as a party. How does that work?
Behold. Libertarian Socialism!
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