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[palsch]

For a second there I thought Steven King (the famous horror writer), and was all sad. But I guess its just some random politician, so I am happier again (although the fact that he represents so many people in the house makes me a bit sad again).

See, I've been following this stuff long enough now Rep. Steve King is my default Steven King. Mostly because he is such a good source of dumbass quotes. I did a double take a while ago when he called Ron Paul 'dangerous'. Basically;

Steve King. Steve fucking King. The man who spoke up for racial profiling, who lead (and funded) the charge to recall three judges who struck down a same-sex marriage ban, who voted against the Katrina aid package, who defended the role of lobbyists in health care legislation, who was disavowed by the McCain campaign for saying flat out bigoted bullshit about Obama, who was the sole vote against recognising that slaves played a role in building the Capitol, who supported Barton's apology to BP over the Gulf oil spill, and who Bachmann "would encourage .. to consider any position for higher office."

Just keeping this straight. Because, as King knows, not keeping straight breeds socialism.

Good Slacktivist piece on the abortion issue and the prominence of Akin's views within the religious right.

[nenjin]

Wow, I had no idea King was a conservative wonk. Conservative, sure, but the wonkiness surprises me.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

The best part about that is how Bachmann praising or disavowing him would be equally damning.

[EveryZig]

The only opinion that would shock me would be those wanting both dead over having an abortion, but then again I want to strangle most deontologists who do everything on their arbitrary moral principle.

Trust me, there are people like that. It's what God wants, after all.

"They were in quite a dilemma," says Lisa Sowle Cahill, who teaches Catholic theology at Boston College. "There was no good way out of it. The official [Catholic] church position would mandate that the correct solution would be to let both the mother and the child die. I think in the practical situation that would be a very hard choice to make." [emphasis added]

From http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=126985072, in which a nun is excommunicated for allowing an abortion in exactly the situation kaijyuu describes.

[Zangi]

Friends don't let friends go to religious hospitals in potentially life-threatening situations... or for delivering babies.

[Mictlantecuhtli]

religious hospitals

The literal definition of an oxymoron.

[kaijyuu]

Don't a lot of hospitals have chapels?

[Mictlantecuhtli]

A lot different then the entire base of the hospital being founded on something inherently unscientific.

[kaijyuu]

Pfft. Who needs that? Leeches suck out one's ills well enough.

[Willfor]

I really and truly wish I had more to contribute than my own bemusement with this line of discussion, but when I say more I generally get batted down because I'm not supposed to read hostility into words like this. I know I have no right to reading a thread I don't read hostility into, but honestly. I'm probably imagining it all, aren't I?

I'm also really tired of people being ignorant of history who disapprove of other people being ignorant, but that's a separate issue altogether.

[Zangi]

religious hospitals

The literal definition of an oxymoron.

The patient, who was too ill to be moved to the operating room much less another hospital, agreed to an abortion. But there was a complication: She was at a Catholic hospital.

  From the NPR article.

Founded and run by the Sisters of Mercy.  They are a Catholic group...  It seems to mean that the head Nuns of that group call the shots, as indicated by the NPR article.  The next one to fall under a similar situation?  The head nun is probably going to say no if it is against their religious belief.

And yes, religious people can, do and have been providing medical service and the likes for...  .... a long time.

[Leafsnail]

I'm also really tired of people being ignorant of history who disapprove of other people being ignorant, but that's a separate issue altogether.

You're doing your usual "vague criticism of noone in particular" thing, but I do agree with you here.  Plenty of religious groups have historically provided healthcare and to suggest they are at odds is incorrect.  The problem is more that the Catholic Church has some pretty harmful views on healthcare provision at present.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Any historical provision of healthcare by religious organizations is irrelevant in the modern world, where religious dogma is purely a hindrance to providing care instead of an incentive.

[Mictlantecuhtli]

Any historical provision of healthcare by religious organizations is irrelevant in the modern world, where religious dogma is purely a hindrance to providing care instead of an incentive.

Exactly. You folks seem to be ignoring the fact that this is how a majority of these religious 'hospitals' work. Dogma first, medical science last. I don't give a shit if it's Christian or Hindu, valuing a set of archaic beliefs over actual science is a hindrance to modern medicine, as shown by the previous example specifically [albeit in an extreme situation, the point is that things along those lines aren't uncommon] as, guess what, reading the bible doesn't give you any actual knowledge of any type of physiology/biology.

Unless there's a herefore-unknown physiology and science based bible out there, in which case I'd convert to that.

Also; pointing out to the Jew that religion has provided healthcare to people in the past is like explaining to me how grass is green. That's not my point at all. It's the whole issue of a damn medical science being based out of something inherently non scientific which bothers me in the modern era of actual medical science and technology, but I guess that's just the futurist in me coming out.

[Descan]

Uh.

I have a copy of A. C. Grayling's Humanist Bible in my bedroom. I haven't read it entirely yet... But I think it counts.