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[MetalSlimeHunt]

Who the hell is Joe Biden?

(Seriously though, his incompetence is staggering sometimes.)

[Eagle_eye]

..It's not as if the vice president has much responsibility..

[Sirus]

Unless the President dies or otherwise leaves office. Then he'd have a whole hell of a lot of responsibility.

[Leafsnail]

Looks like a slightly clumsy metaphor.

[RedKing]

In other news, CNN actually did its job as a responsible journalistic-type outfit, and fact-checked one of the jabbering heads it had on its program: John Sununu, one of Team Romney's advisers. He (and others in the Romney camp) have been floating this idea that Obama somehow "stole $700 billion" out of Medicare funding to fund the ACA.

The truth of it is that the CBO issued a report saying that if the ACA were repealed, Medicare funding would need to be increased by $716 billion over a ten-year period. Thus, by saving the government $716 billion in Medicare costs, Obama is "stealing Medicare funding."

[Zangi]

Unless the President dies or otherwise leaves office. Then he'd have a whole hell of a lot of responsibility.

Who knows... maybe he will rise up to the challenge? 
Are all of his bloopers just related to what comes out of his mouth in the media?  Those are the only ones I've heard painting Biden as incompetent.

For now though, he could kick back and fail at speaking to the American public.

[Heron TSG]

Yes, the rumors of incompetency come from his public speaking. From what I read in a few issues of Time Magazine over the past year, though, he's proven to be quite a diplomat. The voyage to Mongolia went particularly well.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

I don't get how someone could both be an abysmally bad public speaker as Who The Hell Is Joe Biden while also being a skilled diplomat. They're at least somewhat related abilities.

[Sirus]

Perhaps Biden just gets stage fright. Diplomats deal more with small groups and one-on-one interaction than public speaking.

[Heron TSG]

That could be. His diplomatic missions don't get as much of a spotlight, so that could have quite a bit to do with it. I'd say there's quite a difference between brokering deals between 2-6 groups and speaking to hundreds of people at a time.

[MaximumZero]

From what speeches of Joe Biden's that I've seen, he tends to ramble aimlessly because he doesn't prepare anything, and the whole damn speech turns into a convoluted mess directed only by a vague premise in a vague direction.

Besides, you don't need to be good at addressing crowds if you're selling something. Unless you're selling snake oil.

[alway]

I dunno; I kinda like Biden for all his gaffes. He seems like he's a vice president who is "the president's man" rather than as someone making his own grabs for power. Cheney's problem was he came across as having his own agenda, having way too much power over the president, and being competent enough to pull off mischief if he felt like it. With Biden, you more get the feeling that in between doing the president's bidding, he sits back in a rocking chair and tells boring, long winded stories to whoever was unfortunate enough to be in the room at the time.

[Flare]

Don't forget Stuxnet.

You are holding this out against Obama?

Well, it's not like virtually every piece of intelligence leaked has made Obama look like a champ, and the fact these leaks have some very high officials names attached.

Owait.

Stuxnet is a virus designed to identify programs that run nuclear centrifuges that process weapons grade nuclear material and fuck them up. How is ridding the world of a few potential nukes a bad thing?

[Euld]

The only problem with Stuxnet (in my opinion anyway) was the sheer hypocrisy of it.  The US government (was it Obama's administration?  I guess it was) said that a cyber attack on the US would be an instant declaration of war.  Then they proceed to launch a cyber attack on a foreign country.  Guess what the US government would have said if said country had declared war?

[Flare]

Yeah, that is quite bad, although I think the circumstances give some justification for it though. Iran's push for nuclear capability isn't an affair without contention from its neighbors. Israel has on many occasions threatened to go to war over it. When the alternative is your ally with close military ties dropping physical bombs into another country, even though it didn't work out I think releasing a computer virus to complete the task instead is obviously the far better choice of the two.