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Author Topic: American Election Megathread - It's Over  (Read 764849 times)

palsch

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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #4470 on: August 11, 2012, 10:20:02 am »

Since when did the VP debate matter?

Now things like Newt calling Ryan's budget proposal 'right wing social engineering', those can matter.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #4471 on: August 11, 2012, 10:25:29 am »

Does everyone realize that the fate of the world now depends on the debating skills of Joe Biden?  :o
Who the hell is Joe Biden?
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #4472 on: August 11, 2012, 10:37:19 am »

Since when did the VP debate matter?

In 2008 69.9 million people watched the VP debate.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #4473 on: August 11, 2012, 11:24:52 am »

Does everyone realize that the fate of the world now depends on the debating skills of Joe Biden?  :o
Who the hell is Joe Biden?
The vice-president. The reason that, despite the 'dark jokes', Obama was never assassinated. Whichever opposition member did the killing would only unleash a storm of actual liberalism upon the presidency when Biden ascended to the oval office. (Biden doesn't do much as the VP, but as a member of congress he was quite an active and prominent liberal member.)

I, for one, like to watch the VP debates. VP picks tend to be more extreme than the candidates themselves. Biden vs. Ryan should be goddamn hilarious if Biden doesn't screw anything up. (Or, actually, if he does.)
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #4474 on: August 11, 2012, 11:26:08 am »

Does everyone realize that the fate of the world now depends on the debating skills of Joe Biden?  :o
Who the hell is Joe Biden?
The vice-president.
Yes. I know. The joke is that Biden is so inactive as VP that I act like I have no idea who he is.
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« Reply #4475 on: August 11, 2012, 11:42:28 am »

In 2008 69.9 million people watched the VP debate.
Because they wanted to watch Sarah Palin trying to speak in complete sentences. How many based their votes on the debate?

Most polling and assessments have shown that Palin as a whole had a fairly minimal impact on the presidential race, regardless of all the sound and fury that surrounded her. Despite her 'losing' the VP debate by pretty much any measure the presidential race polling actually closed by 4 points that week in favour of McCain/Palin. Her favourables enjoyed a bump as well (bigger than Biden's) which ended up not helping her at all at attracting voters that McCain himself wasn't particularly popular with. Taking this analysis she only actually mattered to Democrats;
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The results of the analysis are quite distinct for the three groups. For Democrats, evaluations of the four candidates all had statistically significant effects in the expected directions: higher thermometer scores for Obama and Biden decreased the likelihood of a McCain vote, while higher thermometer scores for McCain and Palin increased that likelihood. For Republicans, the opposite was true, as evaluations for only Obama had a statistically significant (negative) impact on the likelihood of a McCain vote. For Independents, strangely enough, only the evaluation of Palin failed to exert a statistically significant impact.
They later note that she did have some impact with white independents, but that this is a marginal effect at best and those results quoted show that the other candidates had more significant impacts with independents as a whole.

The VP choice can help frame debate issues and flavour the campaign to a significant degree, but beyond that the VP themselves are of fairly little importance as far as votes go, and the debate itself is a sideshow and good entertainment at best.

The Ryan pick is important as far as it shows Romney doubling down on a conservative, regressive tax ideal.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #4476 on: August 11, 2012, 11:52:20 am »

So, I was like: 'Who the hell is Biden'.

Wikipedia, 1st try:
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Google:
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But in all seriousness: when are the actual elections / campaigns starting? And is Mittens now finally the actual Republican candidate?
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #4477 on: August 11, 2012, 11:54:01 am »

2008 might have been the highest watched debate but 43.5 million viewers tuned into the 2004 vice presidential debate.

Even if only a small percentage of people make up their minds from a debate a small percentage of tens of millions of people is a big fucking deal as Biden would put it.  Obama's biggest lead this campaign has only been around 3 million likely votes. (keep in mind that a registered voter poll does not translate into a likely vote).  Also the debates are an occasion when undecided voters pay a lot, lot more attention then they do at other points in the campaign.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #4478 on: August 11, 2012, 11:55:40 am »

But in all seriousness: when are the actual elections / campaigns starting?
They are started. I even posted one of Romney's crazy attack ads on the last page. It isn't as if there's an official start date for the election campaign or anything.
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And is Mittens now finally the actual Republican candidate?
It isn't like anyone else in the GOP is running anymore.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #4479 on: August 11, 2012, 12:33:10 pm »

And just how much of a liability is Paul Ryan?

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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #4480 on: August 11, 2012, 01:36:04 pm »

Just by the way...
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #4481 on: August 11, 2012, 03:04:18 pm »

Paul Ryan's really not a winning VP candidate by any metric. He's not conservative enough to really get the base out and motivated (having voted for bailouts, raising the debt ceiling, TARP, etc) and he's not moderate enough to appeal to swing voters. His budget plan wouldn't have even balanced the budget since it barely touched military spending, yet did a great job of alienating the elderly.

Not that it makes much of a difference. Mitt Romney's chances at becoming president have practically nothing to do with him since he's an incredibly boring candidate who has managed to piss off almost everyone who isn't "Mister Generic Republican Voter". They really come down to whether that inevitable double dip recession/dollar crisis hits before or after election day and whether or not he drags the US into another pointless war.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #4482 on: August 11, 2012, 03:06:17 pm »

Paul Ryan's really not a winning VP candidate by any metric. He's not conservative enough to really get the base out and motivated (having voted for bailouts, raising the debt ceiling, TARP, etc) and he's not moderate enough to appeal to swing voters. His budget plan wouldn't have even balanced the budget since it barely touched military spending, yet did a great job of alienating the elderly.
....How is Ryan not conservative enough? He's conservative in pretty much every way.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #4483 on: August 11, 2012, 03:09:03 pm »

Paul Ryan's really not a winning VP candidate by any metric. He's not conservative enough to really get the base out and motivated (having voted for bailouts, raising the debt ceiling, TARP, etc) and he's not moderate enough to appeal to swing voters. His budget plan wouldn't have even balanced the budget since it barely touched military spending, yet did a great job of alienating the elderly.
....How is Ryan not conservative enough? He's conservative in pretty much every way.
Hell, to make him any more conservative you 'd have to make him freeze-dried

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« Reply #4484 on: August 11, 2012, 03:10:54 pm »

Paul Ryan's really not a winning VP candidate by any metric. He's not conservative enough to really get the base out and motivated (having voted for bailouts, raising the debt ceiling, TARP, etc) and he's not moderate enough to appeal to swing voters. His budget plan wouldn't have even balanced the budget since it barely touched military spending, yet did a great job of alienating the elderly.
....How is Ryan not conservative enough? He's conservative in pretty much every way.

To the conservative base, nobody's conservative enough.
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