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[Osmosis Jones]

It's becoming increasingly clear that the governor's race in North Carolina is a sad joke.

One of the candidates has an "A" rating from the NRA, is against gay marriage, and is in favor of allowing hydraulic fracturing ("fracking"). The other one is a Republican. 

Guess I'm voting Libertarian for the 2nd straight race.

You poor, sad bastards. May god or science have mercy on your souls.

[Zangi]

It's becoming increasingly clear that the governor's race in North Carolina is a sad joke.

One of the candidates has an "A" rating from the NRA, is against gay marriage, and is in favor of allowing hydraulic fracturing ("fracking"). The other one is a Republican. 

Guess I'm voting Libertarian for the 2nd straight race.

You poor, sad bastards. May god or science have mercy on your souls.

There is no mercy in Science... its either confusion or fact.... and if you go by the Old Testament Christian God or Armok, they are not known for their mercy.  Well, there are many benevolent God(s) out there, if you look.

[kaijyuu]

Well, there are many benevolent God(s) out there, if you look.

Praise, uh... Shiva?

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Well, there are many benevolent God(s) out there, if you look.

Praise, uh... Shiva?

Shiva the Destroyer?

[kaijyuu]

That title sounds very benevolent.

[Rose]

Well, there are many benevolent God(s) out there, if you look.

Praise, uh... Shiva?

Shiva the Destroyer?

He's more the guy who wraps things up at the end, really.

[GlyphGryph]

Well, destruction brings a very rough road, but it also breeds creation...

Plus Shiva has a few titles! Creator, preserver, destroyer, concealer, revealer... Some of those are much nicer sounding.
Ultimately, "The Transformer" is Shiva's best title though. (It is because Shiva is more than meets the eye)

Overall a pretty chill god though, definitely benevolent.

[Heron TSG]

Well, there are many benevolent God(s) out there, if you look.

Praise, uh... Shiva?

Shiva the Destroyer?

He's more the guy who wraps things up at the end, really.

Sounds like a nice guy, then.

Moar election: I saw my first wave of political ads on YouTube a couple days ago. And when I say wave, I mean it. I watched 20+ videos and they all had the same ad called 'unpatriotic' which was about misquoting Obama and saying that we need to lower the national debt. (By voting for Romney, though it doesn't say that.) It linked to an organization 'not affiliated with any candidate', which of course means it was a branch of the GOP SuperPAC.

[scriver]

Shiva the Destroyer?

He's more the guy who wraps things up at the end, really.

The same way complete nuclear war "wraps things up", and just so he can start a clean slate too.

...Shiva is basically the Enclave from Fallout.

[mainiac]

It's becoming increasingly clear that the governor's race in North Carolina is a sad joke.

One of the candidates has an "A" rating from the NRA, is against gay marriage, and is in favor of allowing hydraulic fracturing ("fracking"). The other one is a Republican. 

Guess I'm voting Libertarian for the 2nd straight race.


Oh, and late last night our legislature overrode three straight gubernatorial vetos, further underscoring how useless the position has become since the GOP hijacked the reins of state government. One of the overrides (nullifying a veto on fracking) appears to have passed by 1 vote...a Democrat who accidentally pressed the wrong button and immediately recognized her mistake. The Speaker of the House then immediately used a procedural trick to make it impossible to ask for a do-over or a re-vote. And so continues our relentless death march towards becoming Northern South Carolina. At this rate, I should be getting my "Truck Up On Cinderblocks In My Front Yard" subsidy soon.

Will there be a court case about the misvote?

[RedKing]

It's becoming increasingly clear that the governor's race in North Carolina is a sad joke.

One of the candidates has an "A" rating from the NRA, is against gay marriage, and is in favor of allowing hydraulic fracturing ("fracking"). The other one is a Republican. 

Guess I'm voting Libertarian for the 2nd straight race.


Oh, and late last night our legislature overrode three straight gubernatorial vetos, further underscoring how useless the position has become since the GOP hijacked the reins of state government. One of the overrides (nullifying a veto on fracking) appears to have passed by 1 vote...a Democrat who accidentally pressed the wrong button and immediately recognized her mistake. The Speaker of the House then immediately used a procedural trick to make it impossible to ask for a do-over or a re-vote. And so continues our relentless death march towards becoming Northern South Carolina. At this rate, I should be getting my "Truck Up On Cinderblocks In My Front Yard" subsidy soon.

Will there be a court case about the misvote?

No idea, it just happened last night. My guess would be no.

Under House rules, members can change their vote if they've made a mistake - unless the change would affect the bill's passage.

As soon as the vote was cast, House Minority Leader Paul Stam used a procedural move called a "clincher" to ensure the veto override could not be reconsidered.

Wouldn't be surprised to see the guilty party ousted in the next primary. Mistake or not, people are going to be pissed that their elected official can't push the right fucking color-coded button.

[mainiac]

That is literally the worst procedural rule I have ever heard of.

[Alexhans]

I risked giving a quick peek at this thread (after a long absence in b12) expecting lame battles full of partisanship only to find interesting information and calm arguments.

(+) Will read again. 

It also makes me reflect on the pros and cons of comment systems where people (silent majorities/moderators?) influence the order and practical visibility.

I guess small numbers (controllable), accountability and reputation concern might be an important factor for the success of a debate.

[kaijyuu]

Attitude is number 1, I think. Any online debate will devolve into nonsense if the people participate are in it to "win" and not for discussion for discussion's sake. We're pretty good about attitudes here, I think.

[Duuvian]

Michigan Republican governor vetoes broader voter ID law

(Reuters) - Michigan Governor Rick Snyder on Tuesday vetoed a measure to broaden Michigan's photo identification law for voting, the first Republican governor to veto such a plan during a national wave of ID laws enacted by states in the last two years.

Michigan has an existing voter ID law that is somewhat flexible, permitting a voter to sign an affidavit and vote a regular ballot if they do not have photographic identification with them.

Snyder vetoed a proposal from the Republican-led legislature requiring a photo ID for absentee voting.

Snyder also vetoed proposals that would require voters to affirm their U.S. citizenship before receiving ballots and to require voter registration groups to undergo training by the secretary of state or local clerks.

Duuvian's thoughts: Snyder has really surprised me. He has not only been competent (see Canada and the Feds paying for most of a new Detroit bridge) but he is willing to veto things from his own party at some if not great political risk to himself. In addition his city manager program is at worst quietly bad as I haven't heard much that worried me enough that I felt I would have to get involved and more informed, which I admittedly am not on that issue. If more interested parties have done research on that I wouldn't mind hearing about it. Finally Gov. Snyder did some things to streamline the process of gaining a Michigan Medical Marihuana card. Basically the organization in charge of issueing cards had too few employees to handle all the applications and there was a backlog of 6months to a year to receive your (yearly renewed) card. Gov. Snyder stepped in and changed who handled applications which sped up the process greatly.

Spoiler: My opinion on the Michigan Medical Marihuana as an economist hobbyist (click to show/hide)

I'm a firm believer that the Michigan Med. Marihuana (they misspelled it not me) law is one of the best in the country. I would remove the Medical requirement myself, as right now all it amounts to is a small bribe to a Doctor. (some doctors only prescribe to lawful patients, others take their cash and write one for whatever; both require payment for their 'permission' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rent-seeking ) By allowing limited quantities (in Michigan 12 producing plants per patient) of local production, you allow locals to supply themselves and act as caregivers for other patients (and pay for electricity or even profit in a bad economy in the second instance) instead of international drug cartels who are currently engaging in civil war in Mexico. In addition the State (and some Doctors) must be making a pretty penny from their respective bribes. I don't mind if the State gets a piece as they have to administer the program, but doctors are simply profiting in return for something that seems to me of extremely limited utility. The supply amount seems to be about right, possibly due to the production limits, while from what I've heard California has an oversupply to the point they have an abundance of street hawkers. In addition the majority of local supply seems to no longer be brown, Mexican marijuana. Instead the quality of product and service have both skyrocketed, both in not having to worry about spoilage, urination on the product plus other things the chain of importers might have done, and ease and safety of transaction. Add to this the greater value to a consumer (who would likely consume even without legalization) offered by a local supply, the effect on the local money supply (money stays local instead of finding it's way to cartels/out of state importers), and the effect on crime rates due to the reduction of overzealous prosecution for this petty crime. By allowing all citizens to have a Michigan Marihuana card you would expand these effects.

I think I may vote for (Republican) Governor Snyder barring learning negative things about his governorship; as well as voting for Obama and other Democrats nationally. Not sure what party I'd vote for the state legislatures, but if they send the Governor such stinker bills I don't think I'll vote Republican.