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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #2895 on: March 21, 2012, 07:45:11 pm »

Oh yeah, and former governor of Florida Jedidiah "The Smart One" Bush endorsed Romney.
Pretty much everyone I know in Florida: "Welp. There's another mark against Romney."

Though my acquaintances in this state are over represented by those affiliated with the public education system. Protip: Most teachers in Florida (that I know, anyway) hate Jeb's guts with a violent passion.

Did see that on TV in passing, though.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #2896 on: March 22, 2012, 12:11:50 am »

Forgive me, maybe I'm a bit too cynical, but I don't really see what all the fuss about the Etch a sketch comment is about. It just sounds like a good opportunity for Romney's rivals to throw themed criticism at him rather than a significant gaffe in and of itself.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #2897 on: March 22, 2012, 12:19:32 am »

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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #2898 on: March 22, 2012, 07:41:23 am »

Forgive me, maybe I'm a bit too cynical, but I don't really see what all the fuss about the Etch a sketch comment is about. It just sounds like a good opportunity for Romney's rivals to throw themed criticism at him rather than a significant gaffe in and of itself.

He's saying that all the promises of conservatism that Romney has made so far will go out the window the second the primaries are over.  Kinda matters since Romney has a reputation for flip flopping.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #2899 on: March 22, 2012, 09:46:03 am »

The amusing part is of course, that Fehrnstrom is just saying a truth of modern campaigning: you run to your base in the primary, and to the middle in the general election. Both parties do it, and every candidate does it (except maybe Santorum and possibly Ron Paul -- which is why both are inherently unelectable).

But there's two things Fehrnstrom should have thought about:
A. It's a public secret that no candidate will admit to.
B. Your candidate in particular has an image problem with the base, who think he's only playing at being a conservative to begin with.

The fun part is that because this primary has gone on so long and become a "Who Wants To Be A Fringe Right-Winger?" contest, all the candidates have run so hard to the right that they're going to have a *very* hard time re-centering their campaigns for the general election. If it had stayed focused on the economy, Romney could have nuanced his way back to a centrist profile. But by forcing him to stake out solidly right-wing positions on things like immigration, reproductive rights and global warming, it gets a lot tougher for him to run as a centrist without coming off as completely fake and shifting to both the GOP base and the general electorate.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #2900 on: March 22, 2012, 03:02:09 pm »

Forgive me, maybe I'm a bit too cynical, but I don't really see what all the fuss about the Etch a sketch comment is about. It just sounds like a good opportunity for Romney's rivals to throw themed criticism at him rather than a significant gaffe in and of itself.

It's pretty significant since they are basically admitting they can erase anything that's been done then start over. Although it feels like that's how politics is in general, it isn't suppose to be said out loud lol. Well at least they found their new bumpersticker design hah

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« Reply #2901 on: March 22, 2012, 04:15:00 pm »

To an innocent and foreign spectator like myself, this all feels a lot like Obama is going to win.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #2902 on: March 22, 2012, 04:19:50 pm »

Probably, but I don't want to be optimistic.

Back in 2000, I thought Bush couldn't possibly win.

And then in 2004 I thought Bush couldn't possibly win.

Not that Obama is a particularly good president.

We are screwed either way, its just that Obama isn't quite as big of a prick.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #2903 on: March 22, 2012, 04:23:09 pm »

I think I'd rather have a prick who isn't racing to disassemble our civil rights, than a suave democratic president who is more than willing to shred our protections for the sake of industry.
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« Reply #2904 on: March 22, 2012, 04:27:05 pm »

I think I'd rather have a prick who isn't racing to disassemble our civil rights, than a suave democratic president who is more than willing to shred our protections for the sake of industry.
... does that first bit describe any of the major runners?
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #2905 on: March 22, 2012, 04:28:17 pm »

I think I'd rather have a prick who isn't racing to disassemble our civil rights, than a suave democratic president who is more than willing to shred our protections for the sake of industry.

So you would rather have a stilted republican who is racing to disassemble our civil rights and shred our protections for the sake of industry at a greater rate?

We have two choices:
D: destruction of our rights and protections for the sake of industry, with a tiny sliver of economic recovery.
R: destruction of our rights and protections for the sake of industry, total economic collapse and the rise the neo-christian taliban.

Edit: wow, so this is what my idea of optimism looks like...
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« Reply #2906 on: March 22, 2012, 04:35:13 pm »

Those are very bleak prospects indeed. Civil rights and freedoms are what made America great, it's terrible to see them being dismantled for the sake of big business and industry.

To quote a previous user on this site, I find it sad that the American people seem to have the stark choice between right wing or very right wing.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #2907 on: March 22, 2012, 04:36:07 pm »

You see, that is why I want to secede, but when I suggest it everyone thinks I'm crazy.
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« Reply #2908 on: March 22, 2012, 04:38:52 pm »

You see, that is why I want to secede, but when I suggest it everyone thinks I'm crazy.

I don't think you're crazy. Secession is all the rage here, most of which I support. If secession will benefit you - go for it. California is enormous; just secede, embrace Mexican immigration and take on Spanish as a second official language. Become completely bilingual. It would do a lot of good for your children.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #2909 on: March 22, 2012, 05:40:14 pm »

The US has no official language. Romney didn't know that before Puerto Rico, apparently.
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