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[Frumple]

So question for folks more on top of this than I: Is there a centralized resource for transcripts of all this tomfoolery? Speeches, debates, attack ads, etc?

I just heard Gingrich implicitly claim responsibility for all the jobs created during his period as speaker, which was like ahahaha wtfd00d because that kind of claim makes the brain totally jump tracks into leetspeech incredulity. Being able to read this stuff at a leisurely pace (read: Having enough time to pick my jaw up off the ground from the sheer effrontery of this bovine excretion and start paying attention again) and without having to deal with what these people actually sound like would be incredibly nice.

[Heron TSG]

What. I disconnect from the internet for two days and Newt Gingrich starts winning at anything? Fuck, never doing that again. Next time it might be Santorum.

[palsch]

And now I believe Gingrich is winning the race in elected^* delegates. SC has 11 at-large, winner takes all delegates and then an extra 2 for whoever wins each congressional district. It looks like this might let Gingrich sweep all 25 delegates, putting him ahead of Romney's 19 so far. However SC is being redistricted. The actual CD boundaries are currently being renegotiated (read, sued over). Until they get out of court the final delegate count will be open to change even if they go ahead and announce an official allocation.

* It's worth noting there are also superdelegates (called automatic delegates on the Republican side). Not all delegates who would be superdelegates on the Democratic side are on the Republican side; in some places like SC they are bound to the state popular results, counted in those eleven at-large delegates. DCW keeps a list of these based on the best available reports. Right now Romney has 16 to one each for Santorum and Gingrich. Notably Santorum's superdelegate was from Iowa and reportedly pushed for the recent announcement that Santorum was the official winner.

[Karlito]

One of the potential stories out of this...what happened to the Colbert/Cain votes?

New York Times has reported 6300 votes for Herman Cain (just over 1%), and about 2500 for Rick Perry. Huntsman got over 1000 votes, beating out Bachman and Gary Johnson.

Numbers I saw from the AP match this, though they lumped everyone out of the race except Perry into the "other category"

[Heron TSG]

Darn. I was hoping that he would at least beat Ron Paul.

[RedKing]

SC, I am disappoint.

I'd say you're dead to me, but then you've always been dead to me (with the exception of Charleston, which is a lovely city).

[ECrownofFire]

This is just fucking ridiculous. Ron Paul's been shut out so much...

[mainiac]

This is just fucking ridiculous. Ron Paul's been shut out so much...

He's a fringe candidate with very little support and a large number of who's "supporters" find many of his causes to be disgusting when they find out about them.  He has no chance of ever winning the race he repeatedly enters because a super-majority of the country would never vote for him in a million years.  He never even cracks the top two and just got 4th place in a 4 way race.

Yeah, it's the media that's holding him back.  Now excuse me, I need to go load my gun, I think the media has been spotted making trouble near my house.

Do you really think that this man: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=RMK0TRRlEM4 just needs MORE media attention to catch on?  Believe me, if they wanted to destroy him it would be easy.

[ECrownofFire]

The point is, every major media station has locked Ron Paul out of their coverage, while also entertaining the circus that is Romney, Gingrich, and Santorum.

Also "fringe" my ass: http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/01/16/cnn-poll-obama-tied-with-romney-paul-in-november-showdowns/?hpt=hp_bn3

[RedKing]

@mainiac: That's a bit unfair. Paul did come in second in New Hampshire, and third in Iowa. That's a drastic improvement over his previous attempts. And frankly, until Gingrich did his asspull and came roaring back into this thing, Ron Paul was establishing himself as the legitimate anti-establishment candidate in this race.

One could be charitable and say that at this rate, he could have an excellent shot at getting nominated in 2016 or 2020. If it weren't for the fact that he'll be older than Methuselah by then.


Turning back to the GOP race in general, I find it interesting how polls are showing Gingrich (in SC) favored on the basis of "electability". This seems entirely off-base to me. Yes, Gingrich will ignite the Republican base in a way that Romney never will. He will also ignite the Democratic base in a way that Romney never will. Dems would rather not have Romney as President. They will crawl over broken glass to not have Gingrich. If Republicans really cared about the general election, they'd go with Romney (or Huntsman, before he dropped out). Instead, they're concerned with ideological purity.

[Miggy]

Yeah, that's a question I have to ask viewing all of this from the outside: No matter what happens at the GOP's elections, will any of them actually have a chance to beat Obama?

I mean, choosing people like Newt Gingrich over Barack Obama? How the hell is that even supposed to work out.

[ECrownofFire]

Yeah, that's a question I have to ask viewing all of this from the outside: No matter what happens at the GOP's elections, will any of them actually have a chance to beat Obama?

I mean, choosing people like Newt Gingrich over Barack Obama? How the hell is that even supposed to work out.

Ron Paul would get an interesting debate out of him...

Romney would be a toss-up, honestly. Depends on which positions he decides to support.

Gingrich or Santorum? No fucking chance.

Also, even if Ron Paul loses the nomination, his momentum could easily carry over to his son later on.

[Lysabild]

Browsing Youtube on Ron Paul videos, both the good and the bad, Ron Paul actually sounds like something worth voting for, compared to the rest of the republican candidates. (And I'm a red-green socialist saying this >_> )

[mainiac]

The point is, every major media station has locked Ron Paul out of their coverage, while also entertaining the circus that is Romney, Gingrich, and Santorum.

Also "fringe" my ass: http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/01/16/cnn-poll-obama-tied-with-romney-paul-in-november-showdowns/?hpt=hp_bn3

If the people in the poll actually had the slightest clue what he advocated the numbers wouldn't look remotely like that.  How many 30 second attack ads have ever been run against him?

Can even you yourself describe his views on race as anything other then fringe?  That video I just posted?  His long (and close) association with white supremacist groups?

The first time that Ross Perot got in a serious debate over free trade with Al Gore, his support evaporated.  If Ron Paul actually got in a real national contest all the shit he's gotten away with for decades would come up.

[mainiac]

Browsing Youtube on Ron Paul videos, both the good and the bad, Ron Paul actually sounds like something worth voting for, compared to the rest of the republican candidates. (And I'm a red-green socialist saying this >_> )

He wants to end federal funding for education, healthcare and retirement in the US.  Are you sure that you are a red-green socialist?