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[Loud Whispers]

*Walks back in*

So I see the argument is over aaaand....

*Massive walls of text*

*Walks back out*

[Criptfeind]

Well okay then. One question.

Why?

they should actually do it

Why? Who benefits from this? The 'church' who loses followers? The followers who lose solidarity? Or, people like you. Who want to paint the church and everyone in it as evil and are whining about how hard that is too do in real life?

[RedWarrior0]

Can we go back to making fun of doomsayers now?

[Frumple]

Why? Who benefits from this? The 'church' who loses followers? The followers who lose solidarity? Or, people like you. Who want to paint the church and everyone in it as evil and are whining about how hard that is too do in real life?

Mostly the followers, really, because it eliminates some blatant and massive hypocrisy from their beliefs. That very tangibly improves the actual faith side of the equation, even if it doesn't do much for the more primarily social aspect. It'd also help people like me, who has great respect for most of the basic teachings of the great spiritual figures of human history and would really rather like it if folks would be upfront about how they're relating to the legacy of those folks.

As for G-Flex, I think he just wants to make it easier to actually separate the people in the church that are evil (or at least terribly obsolete) by most standards from folks like you, who seem considerably more chill about things. It'd be a lot easier to tell the rotten fruit from the edible stuff if the edible stuff would stop putting itself in the same bin, so to speak.

I'll admit, the whole "I'm going to call and associate myself with X faith, but hold to basically none of the actually tenants of it, and actually practice Y" thing annoys the blazes out of me, too. It's very prevalent (The absolutely violent schism between a lot of evangelical Christians and the actual teachings of Jesus, ferex), and understandable if you're looking at it the way you're presenting it, Cript, but for folks that actually think 'good faith' (i.e. actually practicing the belief system one openly purports) is important, it's very much not good faith. It's doublethink, hypocrisy, and a terrible and pervasive contribution to sentiments against religion. It'd make folks on the outside a lot happier if everyone in the inside'd play it straight.

Can we go back to making fun of doomsayers now?

We're waiting for the december deadline to get down to some real mocking

In the meantime, anyone heard anything about someone doing something massively idiotic in preparation for the end of times?

[Loud Whispers]

Other then the people training their children how to fire guns accurately, building bunkers across the world e.t.c.?

[Frumple]

Other then the people training their children how to fire guns accurately, building bunkers across the world e.t.c.?

I'unno, that second one sounds like a net benefit. When nothing happens, we'll have a lot of bunkers laying around we can convert into decent housing. Might make underground housing a bit cheaper in the future

[Dsarker]

And you have an easy-to-train army when you get invaded by China.

[Loud Whispers]

Other then the people training their children how to fire guns accurately, building bunkers across the world e.t.c.?

I'unno, that second one sounds like a net benefit. When nothing happens, we'll have a lot of bunkers laying around we can convert into decent housing. Might make underground housing a bit cheaper in the future

But they made the bunkers hidden

And you have an easy-to-train army when you get invaded by China.

Lol if China decided to invade anyone, very few armies would be able to stop them.
>Korean war

[Frumple]

And you have an easy-to-train army when you get invaded by China.

Lol if China decided to invade anyone, very few armies would be able to stop them.
>Korean war

Drones, maan. And those dog robot things that can cross slick ice and be like, "yeah, whatever." Why have child soldiers when you can have robot army?

Unless, of course, you intend to have both.

[G-Flex]

Why? Who benefits from this? The 'church' who loses followers? The followers who lose solidarity? Or, people like you. Who want to paint the church and everyone in it as evil and are whining about how hard that is too do in real life?

• I don't see the value in having "solidarity" with an organization that thinks you're going to Hell, and considers you heretical apostates who defy their rule and specify very explicitly that you're betraying them for thinking and believing what you do. The followers will still have solidarity with each other if they split off and form their own congregation separate from the roman catholic church itself. There's no reason why not.
• I would appreciate you not putting words in my mouth. I'm not a fan of the Catholic Church, but I'm not about to call it "evil", and it would be pretty ridiculous of me to claim that every single Catholic is evil either. I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of opting for "solidarity" with an organization that, in effect, considers you to be its enemy. I'm not trying to paint anyone as "evil". I've known plenty of Catholics, my family is historically Catholic, and for a long time I was raised Catholic... not this this should matter in the slightest, as I've said nothing that should even imply to you that I think Catholics are "evil".

As for G-Flex, I think he just wants to make it easier to actually separate the people in the church that are evil (or at least terribly obsolete) by most standards from folks like you, who seem considerably more chill about things. It'd be a lot easier to tell the rotten fruit from the edible stuff if the edible stuff would stop putting itself in the same bin, so to speak.

Less about "evil", really. It's more about people realizing that the very organization they belong to considers them to be the enemy of their own faith. There's something very strange and almost unintentionally self-loathing about belonging to a dogmatic organization that very clearly tells you that you're one of the things they're fighting against, and have been for many centuries.

I'll admit, the whole "I'm going to call and associate myself with X faith, but hold to basically none of the actually tenants of it, and actually practice Y" thing annoys the blazes out of me, too. It's very prevalent (The absolutely violent schism between a lot of evangelical Christians and the actual teachings of Jesus, ferex), and understandable if you're looking at it the way you're presenting it, Cript, but for folks that actually think 'good faith' (i.e. actually practicing the belief system one openly purports) is important, it's very much not good faith. It's doublethink, hypocrisy, and a terrible and pervasive contribution to sentiments against religion. It'd make folks on the outside a lot happier if everyone in the inside'd play it straight.

Thing is, with Catholicism, it... works a bit differently from most denominations. Most denominations have stated beliefs, but without the hierarchical structure and dogmatism of the Catholic Church. Most sects/denominations don't have "you are loyal to a hierarchical structure with fairly absolute power at the top, and if you disagree with dogma you're the enemy" as pretty much the basis of their faith. That's the thing a lot of people, and even a lot of Catholics, don't seem to grasp.

[Loud Whispers]

Drones, maan. And those dog robot things that can cross slick ice and be like, "yeah, whatever." Why have child soldiers when you can have robot army?

Unless, of course, you intend to have both.

Geneva convention man :|
Also, Drones are awesome, but expensive. Manpower + training is awesome, and cheap :d

Chinese army = Entire population of London.

[Criptfeind]

Two things:

1: I'm not Christan.

2: I'm reasonably sure that the USA could still kick China's ass in a conventional war. I mean, we have been losing wars for like 50 years. But none of them are anything like what we would have with China.

Of course that would be if the world was not consumed in Nuclear Hellfire.

[Loud Whispers]

Nuclear Hellfire.

[Criptfeind]

Spam post much? What are you even trying to say? That it would not come down to a conventional war?

Even in a Nuclear war the USA would have a okay chance, since the important parts of the US are reasonably spread out, but most of the good parts of China are all along the east coast.

[RedWarrior0]

Some people think China can outnumber us...
Maybe, maybe.
I've yet to see China outnumber boolits.