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#1: Put the Alarm Siren in the Military Garrison, it fits and is one buildings less.

#1: Keep the Alarm Siren seperate, I want to have it near my other levers.

#2: I have traded with Gnomes, build Artificer and Weather Control Station.

#2: I have NOT traded with Gnomes, did not have the chance to build their buildings.

[Meph]

So the general consens is:
Put guns and ammo into one building. (this would mean several pages of reaction for this one workshop though)
Put obsidian and slade factory into one.
Put steel and siege refinery into one.

This would remove 4 buildings from the list.
The crucible does not do much currently, except steel, but I have plans for it, it will stay.

@cheatinchicken, thanks is fixed.

@couchmonster: Currently impossible, because this mod is incredibly huge. It will be less work to take a vanilla version, and write the FPS-changes, Bug-fixes and a smaller GUI for it from scratch. I totally know of this and consider doing one for a longer time now. But it has to wait till the work on this mod becomes less, and till the next version of DF is out. Will be named Masterwork Lite.
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Now, another pre-written post/devlog:

I went through the caste file, and yep, I found 2 typos. The female noble description was missing the YESCASTE tag from my GUI, and one of the YESCASTE tags was actually YESSELECT_CASTEYESCASTE. Not easy to find in all that YESCASTE tags ^^

Turning castes on/off works now without the accidental female noble description of course. Another little issue fixed

Flavor/atmosphere rant. long, but please read. Also: new friendly (evil) civ.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

I want to give the mod more flavor. Up till now I added features, fixed bugs, and made the GUI. But everything is unpolished. Next thing is more interesting combat logs, specific items/tradegoods for every civ, a new evil, but friendly civ (has any other mod done this?) and some renaming to better fit a certain style. All this should add to the atmosphere, but there is one thing I just cant decide about:

Tradegoods. Caravans currently bring crafts, toys, instruments, somethimes hundrets of them. NO ONE every buys them (except to melt them down) and if a caravan gets raided, you are stuck with a ton of clutter. I now have two options to handle this:

1. Removing of all reduntant (useless) items from other civs. This means they only bring things you might actually be interested in buying. But this also means that the caravans are rather bland and lack character.

2. Making 1-3 custom toys/instruments/tools/clothing for each friendly civ
   Making 1-3 armor/ammo/weapon/helm/boots/gloves/pants for each friendly civ
   This would mean that the caravan has unuseable stuff, but you get civ-specific items, humans bring chessboards, elves wear light, beautiful detailed armor, dwarves trade toy-merfolk-farms...  this would add more atmosphere, but might produce more clutter, if the caravan is killed, AND you have to scroll through a longer list of unwanted goods while trading. 

I will make a poll about this. The obvious idea I had is to make this optional, but I am not sure how easily this can be done for such a big change. A lot of tags in the entity file would be altered, and testing is very difficult, since I have to wait for at least one caravan from each civ to test it.

Test shows that even if the number of types of toys/instruments/tools is reduced, the amount is not. Dwarves only have drums and toy-forges currently, but bring plenty of them while trading.

Here the plans:
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FRIENDLY## bring everything they have. (and corpses)
##########

Make all gloves and boots rare (for caravan guards and the occasional war), this removes the itemcount by 4 for each unit, but still allows quite a good armor covering.

dwarf = bring everything, have special constructs and cave animals and underground plants. Difficult to mod, since you play with the same entity

human = bring a smaller selection, mostly upgraded things, 2handed weapons, platearmor, towershields, blueprints.

elves = bring ironbark/steeloak items, good arrows, good selection of bows. aboveground/good plants.

new friendly evil = bring unique evil mats, weapons with special attacks, slaves (intelligent pet race), evil plants/drinks.

##########
INVADERS## bring clothing, armor and weapons. (and corpses)
##########

Remove all gloves and boots from invaders, this removes the itemcount by 4 for each unit, but still allows quite a good armor covering. Can I also remove backpacks and flasks from them, without ill effect ? If yes, how ?

kobolds = leave a bag of stolen goods upon death this way people want to hunt the thieves down. this bag can be processed to release it's content, similar to the fossil treasure chests and would be full of precious metal bars, or valuable items. Small chance for an easter egg maybe ? Also leave smallish armorpieces and daggers of course.

goblin = smallish versions of weapons/armor, wrongly written warhammer language?, not for dwarves. max 5(6) items. (helm, armor, pants, weapon, shield, (ammo))

orcs = waaaagh stuff, wrongly written warhammer language? Crude versions, ill fitting, not for dwarves. max 5(6) items. (helm, armor, pants, weapon, shield, (ammo))

warlocks = masks, creepy cloaks, curious (special attack) knives and staves. max 3 items. (helm,armor,weapon)

frost giants = natural armor/weapons, leave nothing.

automatons = bring guns, bullets, leave only weapons/ammo. Maybe a special item corpse with something technical ?

undeads = nothing, dont want clutter.

Special attacks/special weapons rant. Interesting, at least new to me:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

(THIS WEAPON IS DONE BY NARHIRIL, BUT I FOUND THE CONCEPT INTRIUGING)

[ITEM_WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_RITUAL_KNIFE]
[NAME:ritual knife:ritual knives]
[ADJECTIVE:curious]
[SIZE:400]
[SKILL:DAGGER]
[TWO_HANDED:27000]
[MINIMUM_SIZE:20000]
[MATERIAL_SIZE:2]
[ATTACK:EDGE:200:7000:poke:pokes:point:1200]
[ATTACK:EDGE:4000:2000:slash:slashes:NO_SUB:1200]
[ATTACK:EDGE:200:7000:poke:pokes:point:1200]
[ATTACK:EDGE:4000:2000:slash:slashes:NO_SUB:1200]
[ATTACK:EDGE:200:7000:poke:pokes:point:1200]
[ATTACK:EDGE:4000:2000:slash:slashes:NO_SUB:1200]
[ATTACK:EDGE:200:7000:poke:pokes:point:1200]
[ATTACK:EDGE:4000:2000:slash:slashes:NO_SUB:1200]
[ATTACK:EDGE:90000:900000:strike:strikes:wave of energy released from the runes:15000] ~ 1 in 9 chance
[ATTACK:BLUNT:400:100:smack:smacks:tang:1400]

For all none-modders: The ritual knife above acts like a normal knive in 9 out of 1 attacks. The one special attack hits with extreme power, and reads like this: The dwarf strikes the enemy in the head with a wave of energy released from the runes of this curious metal ritual knife, tearing apart the muscle, shattering the skill and tearing apart the brain. Essentially, weapons with special attacks. In a weaker form, you could add this to about anything. Make a runeshop, improve weapons with runes (actually creating a new weapon based on the old one, just with special attacks) and there you go.

The devout follower strikes the iron demon in the lower body with the holy wrath of sigmar, concentrated by his runic warhammer, tearing apart everything. The seperated parts fly through the air... the iron demon has been struck down. This would make combat reports more fun to read as well ^^ Add 5 normal attacks to each weapon, with a different wording, and epicness ensures.

btw, I found out about narhirils concept, by playing ONE testgame with my new physics lab, creating a few random items, and the curious dagger was among them, then attacking ONE badger, and one of TWO attacks with the dagger was the special one. Wow, what are the chances ? Glad I read that combat log. ^^

New usefull reaction, if it works: Ammo stacking.
I would also like to include a reaction that takes single bolts/arrows/bullets and puts them back in a stack. Currently every single arrow/bolt that gets picked up will stay this way, and clog up stockpiles. Dont know for sure if this is possible, but from what I know about reactions it should be.  This would be added to the loading/unloading stations, to give them more uses. I dont want to add a new building for this, and the stations fit best. (at least in my mind)

tl;dr
More atmosphere, but more clutter OR less clutter, but less atmosphere
Special, rare, powerfull attacks for weapons.
Ammo stacking.
new friendly civ, in concept stage.

EDIT: Could the 7 people that voted for "I like some, dislike some. (which ones?)" please tell me which they dislike/like ?

[bombzero]

i like the atmospheric ideas, and the clutter you add would be primarily functional...

[Meph]

No, the clutter would be toys, instruments, tools, clothing and ill-fitting (unuseable) armor/weapons. This is not functional. btw, damn, you are fast

And read the post again, I made some heavy changes.

[rex mortis]

Let me guess, it will not work on Linux?

[bombzero]

about 'unuseable' armor and weapons, they are meltable, elfs gear can be burned if you mod the kiln or crematorium as such, and as long as they dont bring the truly useless shit, clothing, and dont leave corpses much clutter is eliminated.

the crafts are predictably useless but consider this. if you combined the custom crafts, with the removing vanilla crafts brought by trader idea, you get less TYPES of items to scroll through, so less examining items to see if its a useful item or not.
liking the kobold idea, would make chasing them valid.

the special/varied attacks sound wonderful, and must be included no matter what as it would make reading combat logs entertaining to me again.
compared to "the recruit strikes the goblin in the lower right arm with his *copper short sword* tearing the muscle and bruising the fat" x50


so variety with only SOME clutter would be optimal, i suggest adding the items in question to a option called "flavor"

and using your modloaders custom tag system, would it be possible to make a item that could only be active if 2 options were on? might mean a small rewrite of the loader though...

[smakemupagus]

Has anyone successfully made ammo at the ammo mint? 

[bombzero]

Has anyone successfully made ammo at the ammo mint?

guns are still a little buggy i think, i got some, but other times it didnt work.

[smakemupagus]

Ammo stacking is a brilliant idea.

Special weapon attacks sounds nice.  Whether you use that to make "enchanted" or "runic" items like Narhirl's example, or just to differentiate the special heavy weapons a little bit.  I like it.

Streamlining the caravans sounds fine, but leave in some variety or flavor.  basically I agree with Bombzero's post.

[Malorn]

I'm curious about a piece of code I found in your warpstone raws.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

[INORGANIC:WARPSTONE_UNSTABLE]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:WARPSTONE_TEMPLATE]
 [STATE_NAME:ALL_SOLID:warpstone]
       [STATE_ADJ:ALL_SOLID:warpstone]
       [STATE_NAME:LIQUID:warpstone]
       [STATE_ADJ:LIQUID:warpstone]
       [STATE_NAME:GAS:warpstone gas]
       [STATE_ADJ:GAS:warpstone gas]
       [PREFIX:NONE]
       [SYNDROME]
        [SYN_NAME:warpstone exposure]
        [SYN_AFFECTED_CLASS:GENERAL_POISON]
        [SYN_INHALED]
        [CE_FEVER:SEV:150:PROB:100:START:50:PEAK:500:END:1200]
[SYNDROME]
        [SYN_NAME:warpstone exposure]
        [SYN_AFFECTED_CLASS:GENERAL_POISON]
        [SYN_INHALED]
   [CE_NECROSIS:SEV:800:PROB:100:START:50:PEAK:800:END:1200]
[MATERIAL_VALUE:2][DISPLAY_COLOR:2:0:0][TILE:'*']
[ENVIRONMENT:ALL_STONE:CLUSTER_SMALL:50] orig:ENVIRONMENT_SPEC:WARPSTONE_UNSTABLE:CLUSTER_SMALL:100
[BOILING_POINT:0]
[SYNDROME]
 [SYN_NAME:stone sickness]
 [SYN_AFFECTED_CLASS:GENERAL_POISON]
 [SYN_INHALED]
 [CE_DIZZINESS:SEV:100:PROB:100:START:1000:PEAK:2000]
 [CE_COUGH_BLOOD:SEV:1000:PROB:100:VASCULAR_ONLY:START:5:PEAK:900:END:2000]
 [CE_PAIN:SEV:1000:PROB:100:BP:BY_TOKEN:LUNG:ALL:START:1000:PEAK:2000]
 [CE_NECROSIS:SEV:1000:PROB:100:BP:BY_CATEGORY:LUNG:ALL:START:5000:PEAK:5500]
 [CE_NECROSIS:SEV:1000:PROB:100:BP:BY_CATEGORY:HEART:ALL:START:5000:PEAK:5500]
 [CE_NECROSIS:SEV:100:PROB:100:RESISTABLE:BP:BY_TYPE:THOUGHT:ALL:BP:BY_TYPE:NERVOUS:ALL:START:5000:PEAK:5500]
 [CE_IMPAIR_FUNCTION:SEV:1000:PROB:100:VASCULAR_ONLY:BP:BY_CATEGORY:LUNG:ALL:START:5:PEAK:100:END:200]
 [CE_IMPAIR_FUNCTION:SEV:1000:PROB:100:BP:BY_CATEGORY:HEART:ALL:START:100:PEAK:200]

As you can see by the bolded items, it seems like there are three different syndrome entries.  I assume that was intentional, and I'm wondering what effect that would have?  Does it, by any chance, make it so that unmined warpstone produces a syndrome in people who contact it?  Would that mean living in a bedroom lined with warpstone would cause syndromes?  If not, what is the purpose of the entries?

[bombzero]

I'm curious about a piece of code I found in your warpstone raws.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

[INORGANIC:WARPSTONE_UNSTABLE]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:WARPSTONE_TEMPLATE]
 [STATE_NAME:ALL_SOLID:warpstone]
       [STATE_ADJ:ALL_SOLID:warpstone]
       [STATE_NAME:LIQUID:warpstone]
       [STATE_ADJ:LIQUID:warpstone]
       [STATE_NAME:GAS:warpstone gas]
       [STATE_ADJ:GAS:warpstone gas]
       [PREFIX:NONE]
       [SYNDROME]
        [SYN_NAME:warpstone exposure]
        [SYN_AFFECTED_CLASS:GENERAL_POISON]
        [SYN_INHALED]
        [CE_FEVER:SEV:150:PROB:100:START:50:PEAK:500:END:1200]
[SYNDROME]
        [SYN_NAME:warpstone exposure]
        [SYN_AFFECTED_CLASS:GENERAL_POISON]
        [SYN_INHALED]
   [CE_NECROSIS:SEV:800:PROB:100:START:50:PEAK:800:END:1200]
[MATERIAL_VALUE:2][DISPLAY_COLOR:2:0:0][TILE:'*']
[ENVIRONMENT:ALL_STONE:CLUSTER_SMALL:50] orig:ENVIRONMENT_SPEC:WARPSTONE_UNSTABLE:CLUSTER_SMALL:100
[BOILING_POINT:0]
[SYNDROME]
 [SYN_NAME:stone sickness]
 [SYN_AFFECTED_CLASS:GENERAL_POISON]
 [SYN_INHALED]
 [CE_DIZZINESS:SEV:100:PROB:100:START:1000:PEAK:2000]
 [CE_COUGH_BLOOD:SEV:1000:PROB:100:VASCULAR_ONLY:START:5:PEAK:900:END:2000]
 [CE_PAIN:SEV:1000:PROB:100:BP:BY_TOKEN:LUNG:ALL:START:1000:PEAK:2000]
 [CE_NECROSIS:SEV:1000:PROB:100:BP:BY_CATEGORY:LUNG:ALL:START:5000:PEAK:5500]
 [CE_NECROSIS:SEV:1000:PROB:100:BP:BY_CATEGORY:HEART:ALL:START:5000:PEAK:5500]
 [CE_NECROSIS:SEV:100:PROB:100:RESISTABLE:BP:BY_TYPE:THOUGHT:ALL:BP:BY_TYPE:NERVOUS:ALL:START:5000:PEAK:5500]
 [CE_IMPAIR_FUNCTION:SEV:1000:PROB:100:VASCULAR_ONLY:BP:BY_CATEGORY:LUNG:ALL:START:5:PEAK:100:END:200]
 [CE_IMPAIR_FUNCTION:SEV:1000:PROB:100:BP:BY_CATEGORY:HEART:ALL:START:100:PEAK:200]

As you can see by the bolded items, it seems like there are three different syndrome entries.  I assume that was intentional, and I'm wondering what effect that would have?  Does it, by any chance, make it so that unmined warpstone produces a syndrome in people who contact it?  Would that mean living in a bedroom lined with warpstone would cause syndromes?  If not, what is the purpose of the entries?

 some of that seems to be to create the 2 diff types of warpstone, while the big block seems to be what makes unstable warpstone incredibly deadly via duplicate syndromes

[Malorn]

some of that seems to be to create the 2 diff types of warpstone, while the big block seems to be what makes unstable warpstone incredibly deadly via duplicate syndromes

No, the two different types of warpstone are actuall two different entries within the warpstone raw file.  This is only for unstable warpstone.  The last syndrome is certainly what makes it deadly, but what of the upper two syndromes?

[bombzero]

some of that seems to be to create the 2 diff types of warpstone, while the big block seems to be what makes unstable warpstone incredibly deadly via duplicate syndromes

No, the two different types of warpstone are actuall two different entries within the warpstone raw file.  This is only for unstable warpstone.  The last syndrome is certainly what makes it deadly, but what of the upper two syndromes?

flavor, i suppose, adding extra things to the status screen?
ill just let meph answer this one when he checks the thread again. [joke](while he should be coding a mod...)[/joke]

off topic: i recently learned to make words that are links on the forum, i feel proud.

[admiralawesome]

Let me guess, it will not work on Linux?

It works just fine under Linux (Kubuntu 11.10, here), but you have to do a little extra work.  Grab the Linux version of Dwarf Fortress from the DF main page.  Extract it and delete: raw/, data/art/, data/speech, and data/init/.  Install Wine and winetricks, if you don't already have them.  With winetricks, install the mono28 package (that's what I use, I don't know if you can use the newer mono210 package.)  Now you can use the Settings.exe application that comes with the Masterwork mod.  Change the settings to however you want them, save them, and copy the raw/, data/art/, data/speech/, and data/init/ from Masterwork to replace the ones you deleted in the Linux version.  With the current version, I think, you will have to change the file names and extensions on all the BMP and PNG files to all lowercase (or otherwise, edit each of the graphics*.txt files so the file names and references all match exactly.)  This should be fixed in the next version.

You can PM me if you need more info or if you just want me to send you the graphics files I've already edited.

[obolisk0430]

I can't seem to download it.  I get around 8 to 12 %, and then it tells me it was inturrupted.  If I tell it to resume the download, it restarts, and the same problem happens all over again.

[CheatingChicken]

Who would go and set a trap miles under the earth's surface inside solid rock? :O