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#1: Put the Alarm Siren in the Military Garrison, it fits and is one buildings less.

#1: Keep the Alarm Siren seperate, I want to have it near my other levers.

#2: I have traded with Gnomes, build Artificer and Weather Control Station.

#2: I have NOT traded with Gnomes, did not have the chance to build their buildings.

[Ashnal]

I had no clue that Vellum was a name for a material. Deon uses the word in genesis to describe an object made from leather used by the library. I thought it was some sort of leather-bound book. In any case, I'm goign to make the reactions make leather-bound books now

So about the combat values,

So the higher the SHEAR_YIELD, the more effective a cutting weapon is?

What effects whether a cutting attack slices through or gets converted into a blunt attack? Is it SHEAR_FRACTURE?

Does the SHEAR_YIELD of armor items get used? Or does the game simply decide if the attack slices or not, then uses the IMPACT values? Once an edged attack is converted into a blunt one, does the SOLID_DENSITY factor in as it would for an origianlly blunt attack? If so, it would mean candy weapons wouldn't ever bruise anything they cant cut up on account of being so light (maybe that's something to test?). I am also a bit curious about how the IMPACT values work. Do blunt attacks that surpass armor's IMPACT_YIELD do damage based on IMPACT_STRAIN_AT_YIELD? Blunt attacks that fail to pass armor's IMPACT_YIELD are deflected right?

So many questions just trying to make sense of the combat system I suppose.

[Meph]

Wiki says: Vellum (from the Old French Vélin, for "calfskin")[1] is mammal skin prepared for writing.

Edged or blunt attacks are defined in the weapon file, not in the material file. Nothing gets converted. How deep it cuts is also set in the weapon file. Shear values (all 3) affect the edged attacks power, among others.

Adamant is bad for blunt weapons because of its low density. Best material for blunt weapons, by far, would be slade.

And the last two questions: I suppose the answers are Yes and Yes.

And we are derailing the thread... a bit.

EDIT:
Impact elasticity: Used for blunt-force combat; lower is better. This is the raw value.
Shear elasticity: Used for cutting calculations in combat; lower is better. This is the raw value.

This is from the wiki. IT IS WRONG, HIGHER IS BETTER.

MORE INFO:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Weapons involve a little more detail:
[ITEM_WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_SWORD_2H]
[NAME:two-handed sword:two-handed swords]
[SIZE:900]
[SKILL:SWORD]
[TWO_HANDED:67500]
[MINIMUM_SIZE:62500]
[MATERIAL_SIZE:5]
[ATTACK:EDGE:100000:8000:slash:slashes:NO_SUB:1250]
[ATTACK:EDGE:50:4000:stab:stabs:NO_SUB:1000]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:100000:8000:slap:slaps:flat:1250]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:100:1000:strike:strikes:pommel:1000]

SIZE determines how heavy the weapon is. This has a substantial effect on weapon effectiveness.
 
SKILL determines which skill is used in using the weapon; a list of skills can be found on this page.

MINIMUM_SIZE determines the minimum size a creature must be before the weapon can be wielded, while

TWO_HANDED determines how large a creature must be in order to wield the weapon with one hand.

Attacks take a little more explaination.

The first value determines the contact area of the weapon's attack; this should be high for slashing or bludgeoning weapons, and low for piercing and poking ones.

The second value determines how deep the weapon penetrates - for BLUNT attacks this value is ignored as they're not supposed to penetrate anyway, but in the case of EDGE attacks it should generally be lower for slashing attacks and higher for stabbing attacks.

Following these are the adjectives used; they should be self-explanatory. Finally, we have the velocity modifier, which has a multiplying effect on the weapon's size for the purposes of determining how powerful it is in combat.
Other, more miscellaneous items are generally simple and shouldn't require any further explanation.
Once you've made an item, you just add it to the civ entry so a civilization can actually craft it, and it's done.

[Putnam]

is from the wiki. IT IS WRONG, HIGHER IS BETTER.

You sure? Did you do testing?

I'm going to have to do some testing on this...

brb making another topic about it

[Meph]

Empirical evidence. Tin, lead and other non-armor, non-weapon metals have a very low count. Bronze, Silver, Brass have a medium count, while iron and steel have a very high number... I assume (making an ass out of you and me) that it means: Higher is better. Otherwise people would use tin swords.

[CheatingChicken]

Some spelling errors i found: in the furniture workshop you can make wooden "qerns". should be querns. in the crematory you can creamate vermin instead of cremating them. or fix the product to be dead vermin cream

[Meph]

Both fixed, thanks. No vermin cream though.

btw, tech tree:
Metal Refinery:Fireproof metal DONE
Weaponry: battle metal DONE
Armory: lightweight metal DONE
Ammo Caster: Siege ammo DONE, NEEDS TESTING
Alchemist Lab: Magical Ammo DONE, NEEDS TESTING
Kitchen WIP
Brewery WIP
Obsidian Factory: DONE
Slade Factory: DONE

Idea:Make the battle metal super heavy, so your tank-soldiers move slowly. that would balance it out. would also affect fighting speed, which is bad. Have to do testing.

[Deon]

Actually impact elasticity should be lower on blunt weapons. Are you sure your tests were correct? I remember people testing and it worked properly before.

And iron is not the best choice for blunt weapons.

Lead hammers are much better, the density and weight are very important.

[Hugo_The_Dwarf]

you would think low impact elasticity would be good for blunt attacks (hammer won't simply wrap around target) but high would be good for armor (can absorb more impact and fling it away like rubber)

[Deon]

That's how I thought it works.

[CheatingChicken]

Is the green surface-grass supposed to be in caves?

edit:
Ialso noticed that the simple fire turrets seem to be awfully ineffective. I have one fighting a single giant rat for about one month now, all it managed to to was bruise the rats tail. I cant imagine them being better against other creatures, since none of them wear burnable clothes anymore. You might want to have a look at this.

[Meph]

Firebreath does hurt and melt the fat, starting bleeding. If the creatures survives that, it is pretty much immune to any fire. I should help against groups of invaders, when the firebreath hits mulitple enemies, but not as a sole defense. Add other turrets, crossbowdawrves, or golems to it. BOT dwarves, because of friendly fire.

I saw the surface grass in the caverns... depends on your settings about flora and fauna I guess, but I like the look of it.

And for a third time:
I am talking about armor and edged weapons, not blunt weapons.

Empirical evidence. Tin, lead and other non-armor, non-weapon metals have a very low count. Bronze, Silver, Brass have a medium count, while iron and steel have a very high number... I assume (making an ass out of you and me) that it means: Higher is better. Otherwise people would use tin swords.

[Deon]

Yep, but you said that

Impact elasticity: Used for blunt-force combat; lower is better. This is the raw value.

is wrong.

Used for blunt-force combat

Other values I am not talking about.


P.S. Thank you, your code worked and now I've released the first version of ModLoader. It's AWESOME . You may grab any part of Genesis you want anytime .

[Meph]

That is a quote from the wiki. ^^ Doenst matter. I just try to add 3*15 kinds of metals into 3 buildings, without causing confusion.

Weaponry makes battle metal ::: Armory makes lightweight metal ::: Refinery makes fireproof metal.
I am not quite content with that, there surely is a better way. People wont know that battle metal also makes stronger armor...

And yeah, I am downloading it right now, to see how you solved your issues

[Meph]

I will scrap the ASCII version.

Instead I will merge Phoebus, Ironhand and Ascii all into one, and make it another option in the settings tool. The graphics are done for all three versions, just have to update the settings program.

[Deon]

Collaboration always brings great results, it's good to have you around :3.