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Jibba Jabba

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Storing Fire
« on: December 23, 2011, 12:22:11 am »

Hello!

I'm just curious as to whether or not I can find a way to store fire safely. The reason I'm asking is because I like to collect trophies from the megabeasts and titans I kill; one of them happened to be a fire titan and on his death dropped a corpse flame that doesn't go out.

I've picked it up and stored it in my leather backpack but it ends up either burning my backpack into nothingness and spilling all my stuff on the ground or going beyond that and setting me on fire. I can't hold it or I start melting. So is there any container that would accept this without burning itself or me?
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Re: Storing Fire
« Reply #1 on: December 23, 2011, 12:24:21 am »

An iron chest? That should do it. Or any other rock/metal chest.
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Re: Storing Fire
« Reply #2 on: December 23, 2011, 12:29:37 am »

Whew I'll try and find them. I've been through two large towns and the best I could come up with was a large cauldron, which I sadly was unable to put the fire in.
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Re: Storing Fire
« Reply #3 on: December 23, 2011, 12:45:48 am »

That's too bad. Are you able to hold it if you have an iron gauntlet on? Because that would be a badass thing to wield.
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Re: Storing Fire
« Reply #4 on: December 23, 2011, 12:52:26 am »

Well this particular hero I'm playing is wearing full adamantium. (I played a fortress with the express purpose of crafting an armor and weapon set for my adventurers) And he still gets burned. So now I'm waiting for a sure thing since I don't want him to lose any more fat. Or die.
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Re: Storing Fire
« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2011, 01:05:43 am »

Haha, I had an adventurer who picked up a fire ball bare handed. He died shortly after.
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Re: Storing Fire
« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2011, 04:00:17 am »

Nethercap wood has a fixed temperature, and is naturally cold. Since the temperature of the material is fixed, it will never burn since it never reaches its ignition point. A gauntlet made out of this material would certainly be able to hold a "fire" material corpse; some mods that use syndrome-inflicting weapons use this physics feature to cause stuck-ins (which transfer temperature) to boil the material and effect the syndrome on the target, boiling on body temperature. The nethercap wooden gauntlets prevent the user from boiling the weapon as they hold it. However, if the fire is hot enough it may not matter that you're blocking the heat of the object while it's in your hand; it could in theory be extreme enough to cause your surroundings to heat and still damage you.

A chest or container made of nethercap wood can also hold a fire material object just fine and not ignite (and subsequently be held) but again, the extreme temperature may still influence the surroundings and your backpack might be damaged from temperature bleed-through.
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Re: Storing Fire
« Reply #7 on: December 29, 2011, 12:26:10 pm »

That's too bad. Are you able to hold it if you have an iron gauntlet on? Because that would be a badass thing to wield.
IIRC metal conducts heat realistically, there was a post a while back about someone's military dying in a fire and the new recruits dying from trying to wear still glowing steel armor.

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Re: Storing Fire
« Reply #8 on: December 31, 2011, 08:48:32 pm »

That's too bad. Are you able to hold it if you have an iron gauntlet on? Because that would be a badass thing to wield.
IIRC metal conducts heat realistically, there was a post a while back about someone's military dying in a fire and the new recruits dying from trying to wear still glowing steel armor.

Yeah metal transfers heat. however, if the following is true it might work maybe but it also might not:

Nethercap wood has a fixed temperature, and is naturally cold. Since the temperature of the material is fixed, it will never burn since it never reaches its ignition point. A gauntlet made out of this material would certainly be able to hold a "fire" material corpse; some mods that use syndrome-inflicting weapons use this physics feature to cause stuck-ins (which transfer temperature) to boil the material and effect the syndrome on the target, boiling on body temperature. The nethercap wooden gauntlets prevent the user from boiling the weapon as they hold it. However, if the fire is hot enough it may not matter that you're blocking the heat of the object while it's in your hand; it could in theory be extreme enough to cause your surroundings to heat and still damage you.

A chest or container made of nethercap wood can also hold a fire material object just fine and not ignite (and subsequently be held) but again, the extreme temperature may still influence the surroundings and your backpack might be damaged from temperature bleed-through.
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Re: Storing Fire
« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2012, 08:51:15 pm »

Hey all!
I'm sorry for the late reply but I was attempting to figure out how to to accomplish your suggestions. I ended up using DFusion to change my backpack to be made out of nether cap and it worked like a charm. It's fire-safe and cold enough to keep the bleed out from affecting me. I was traveling and sleeping around to make sure nothing happened and it seemed be enduring well.

Some notes for any interested - Any flammable items inside the backpack along with the flame are NOT safe. I ended up losing some extra clothes because they got destroyed while still inside; my other corpse items were fine though. Another note is wearing nether-cap gauntlets don't protect you from the heat; I ended up burning my hand before dropping it. It's also ineffective as a weapon; it tried smacking a wolf with the flame hoping to set him on fire but it either glanced off of just bruised him.

So in the end thank you for the suggestions! I finally have the undying flame of a titan snuggled away in my backpack next to a dragon skull, so it all worked out.
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Re: Storing Fire
« Reply #10 on: January 08, 2012, 10:59:59 pm »

That's too bad. Are you able to hold it if you have an iron gauntlet on? Because that would be a badass thing to wield.
IIRC metal conducts heat realistically, there was a post a while back about someone's military dying in a fire and the new recruits dying from trying to wear still glowing steel armor.
Actually, that's more likely to be from something like fire imp extract coating the gloves.
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Re: Storing Fire
« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2012, 09:05:02 am »

This reminds me of a time I modded in a dog made completely out of Adamantine. After going in to battle in the arena with a dragon and getting hit by somewhere over a hundred fire breaths I was knocked into the river and something interesting happened. Every single bit of water that touched me instantly evaporated. So I guess I found in my own way how metal transfers heat.
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Re: Storing Fire
« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2012, 05:21:41 pm »

This reminds me of a time I modded in a dog made completely out of Adamantine. After going in to battle in the arena with a dragon and getting hit by somewhere over a hundred fire breaths I was knocked into the river and something interesting happened. Every single bit of water that touched me instantly evaporated. So I guess I found in my own way how metal transfers heat.

That post is shockingly fitting to your name, but yes metal transferring heat got.. interesting, when my modded caste of fireproof dwarfs, (i had magma dwarfs, frost dwarfs, water dwarfs, and stone dwarfs.) and a some of my frost dwarfs were in the military together. during thier pre-siege equipment swap meet, one of the magma dwarfs gave a frost dwarf his gauntlet, the frost dwarf was severely injured and bled out since nobody removed the gauntlet.

never try to mod in drastically different castes of dwarfs.
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