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Author Topic: It's over. (At least in England) NU MO BADGERS FO YO  (Read 4195 times)

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Re: It's over. (At least in England)
« Reply #15 on: December 15, 2011, 05:37:11 pm »

All you neeeeed is doors :P

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Re: It's over. (At least in England)
« Reply #16 on: December 15, 2011, 06:14:16 pm »

See if England were a fortress, it would be a well run efficient fortress. Some industris may fall to the wayside, and there may be an occasional tantrum spiral, but overall the player is a reasonable fellow that genuinely wants as many dwarves as possible to live. Hence when something needs to get killed, the militia is organized and sent out with minimal lollygagging. It is also only sent out if completely necessary, say to deal with that rampaging badger swarm threatening to take over the map.

In 'murca our player is unbalanced. Every dwarf is in a ilitia of some sort, armed to the teeth, ready to tantrum spiral at the earliest sign it will get him that encrusted sock he must have.

The militia kills anything and everything in sight, ordered to or not. Insects? Murder. Badgers? Murder. Turtles? Murder.

The player is a little unhinged, but realizes he needs some dwarves to survive, or he'll have to reclaim. So he spends most of his time telling the outpost to stop killing everything, to little avail.

Then again, I tend to see everything like this anyway.

Hmm... I suppose this is true of some americans.  On the other hand, what makes america truly bonkers is the opposite is also true:

Some american players would try to force their dwarves to live fantasy elf-idealist hippie freak lives, and smile while beautiful unicorn menace massacres the berry pickers on the grassy hillside.  "We must have angered mother nature!" They proclaim. "We don't understand, we only buy wood from our highly effeminate fashion designing elf friends! We even named our trees like they do! But it isn't the unicorn's fault, we must have disturbed it somehow. We stay away from rivers, ponds, and streams because of our carp friends, I guess we shouldn't pick berries from the hilltops either."

The "schizophrenic, battshit insanity" the world has come to recognize the US as having comes from the unmitigated and unmoderated mixture of both extremes vying for power.  What is lacking, is a sensible and moderate mindset, like the one you spelled out.

The "Kill 'em all! Let GOD sort em out! They will take my crossbow when they pry it from my stubby dead fingers!" Types view the moderates as being in bed with the elvish menace, and the "dwarven nature goddess goddess communal living elf wannabe" types view the moderates with the bitter hatred that elves feel for everyone who even so much as looks at something other than a beansprout as a source of nourishment, and who considers sustainable logging practices as an unforgivable sin. (We can't have magma forges! What if little urist fell in!?)

The result? Absolute battshit insanity from both sides of government, which can only agree on one thing: telling the moderate and reasonably minded people to stfu and gtfo.

As a consequence of being effectively shut out of government, the "radical" moderates in the US simply wait for everything to either get blown up by the fundie righties in their phyrric worhip of Armok and all things dealing with the shedding of blood-- or for things to become logistically impossible for people to live due to the insane elf-philosphy spouting pansies' "social reform" (ahem) policies to the point that society collapses.  Either way, it is just a waiting game to see which side of the debate can fuxxor things up the most while we wait to pick up the pieces.

Sadly for us, thise two demographics are more persistant than headlice or bedbugs, and always seem to come back as soon as there is either blood to spill or blood to suck.

If the UK has managed to keep those two popular philosophies from silencing the moderates and centrists, the methods employed must be quite formiddable.  My understanding of UK politics is that the house of lords is paradoxically often a source of enlightened government input, balancing out the voices of the two equally and maddeningly insane popular camps the US is plauged with when they utter their shrill voices in the house of commons.

While it seemed like a good idea at the time, it becomes more and more apparent that the complete dissolution of heredetary lordship (however limited in power) and total enactment of populist government was not entirely such a good idea, and that it has only served to create a power vacuum into which large multinational companies and their boards of directors have established themselves.

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Re: It's over. (At least in England)
« Reply #17 on: December 15, 2011, 06:26:02 pm »

A thread about badgers just got derailed into politics?

Hmph.

That's more like making new rails :O
U BROKED IT.

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Re: It's over. (At least in England)
« Reply #18 on: December 15, 2011, 06:28:31 pm »

I didn't push the railcar....

I only let it glide to it's ultimate, and totally undesirable destination. :)


For what it's worth, I agree with you though.


Back on topic:

Why exactly is the UK enabling the culling of badgers? I can't imagine them becoming too burdensom of a menace.

The more sensible farmers in my area occasionally cull the resident coyote populations when they grow too plentiful in number, but that is because they start taking newborn calves because they have overpredated the local whitetail population.

Only the batshit crazy types insist on canine genocide, because the more sensible ones realize the very real damage that runaway whitetail populations have on crops like corn.  A few coyotes are a good thing. A few deer are a good thing.  Keeping the two balanced is a good thing.

So, if the uk is having a badger infestation, what exactly has contributed to that problem that it needs wholesale culling to control it?
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Re: It's over. (At least in England)
« Reply #19 on: December 15, 2011, 06:33:53 pm »

See if England were a fortress, it would be a well run efficient fortress. Some industris may fall to the wayside, and there may be an occasional tantrum spiral, but overall the player is a reasonable fellow that genuinely wants as many dwarves as possible to live. Hence when something needs to get killed, the militia is organized and sent out with minimal lollygagging. It is also only sent out if completely necessary, say to deal with that rampaging badger swarm threatening to take over the map.

In 'murca our player is unbalanced. Every dwarf is in a ilitia of some sort, armed to the teeth, ready to tantrum spiral at the earliest sign it will get him that encrusted sock he must have.

The militia kills anything and everything in sight, ordered to or not. Insects? Murder. Badgers? Murder. Turtles? Murder.

The player is a little unhinged, but realizes he needs some dwarves to survive, or he'll have to reclaim. So he spends most of his time telling the outpost to stop killing everything, to little avail.

Then again, I tend to see everything like this anyway.

Hmm... I suppose this is true of some americans.  On the other hand, what makes america truly bonkers is the opposite is also true:

Some american players would try to force their dwarves to live fantasy elf-idealist hippie freak lives, and smile while beautiful unicorn menace massacres the berry pickers on the grassy hillside.  "We must have angered mother nature!" They proclaim. "We don't understand, we only buy wood from our highly effeminate fashion designing elf friends! We even named our trees like they do! But it isn't the unicorn's fault, we must have disturbed it somehow. We stay away from rivers, ponds, and streams because of our carp friends, I guess we shouldn't pick berries from the hilltops either."

The "schizophrenic, battshit insanity" the world has come to recognize the US as having comes from the unmitigated and unmoderated mixture of both extremes vying for power.  What is lacking, is a sensible and moderate mindset, like the one you spelled out.

The "Kill 'em all! Let GOD sort em out! They will take my crossbow when they pry it from my stubby dead fingers!" Types view the moderates as being in bed with the elvish menace, and the "dwarven nature goddess goddess communal living elf wannabe" types view the moderates with the bitter hatred that elves feel for everyone who even so much as looks at something other than a beansprout as a source of nourishment, and who considers sustainable logging practices as an unforgivable sin. (We can't have magma forges! What if little urist fell in!?)

The result? Absolute battshit insanity from both sides of government, which can only agree on one thing: telling the moderate and reasonably minded people to stfu and gtfo.

As a consequence of being effectively shut out of government, the "radical" moderates in the US simply wait for everything to either get blown up by the fundie righties in their phyrric worhip of Armok and all things dealing with the shedding of blood-- or for things to become logistically impossible for people to live due to the insane elf-philosphy spouting pansies' "social reform" (ahem) policies to the point that society collapses.  Either way, it is just a waiting game to see which side of the debate can fuxxor things up the most while we wait to pick up the pieces.

Sadly for us, thise two demographics are more persistant than headlice or bedbugs, and always seem to come back as soon as there is either blood to spill or blood to suck.

If the UK has managed to keep those two popular philosophies from silencing the moderates and centrists, the methods employed must be quite formiddable.  My understanding of UK politics is that the house of lords is paradoxically often a source of enlightened government input, balancing out the voices of the two equally and maddeningly insane popular camps the US is plauged with when they utter their shrill voices in the house of commons.

While it seemed like a good idea at the time, it becomes more and more apparent that the complete dissolution of heredetary lordship (however limited in power) and total enactment of populist government was not entirely such a good idea, and that it has only served to create a power vacuum into which large multinational companies and their boards of directors have established themselves.

Who knew? Nobles are good for something afterall?
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Re: It's over. (At least in England)
« Reply #20 on: December 15, 2011, 06:38:25 pm »

I didn't push the railcar....

I only let it glide to it's ultimate, and totally undesirable destination. :)


For what it's worth, I agree with you though.


That badgers are currently a bigger problem then Necro or King DZA?
Or that teh rails have turned into a loopdeloop? :D

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Re: It's over. (At least in England)
« Reply #21 on: December 15, 2011, 06:39:14 pm »

Solution in the US would be to give out more hunting licenses  :P

The Badgers in the US already have hunting licenses.

Guess what they hunt.

http://filmdrunk.uproxx.com/2011/09/dwarf-who-played-gordon-ramsay-in-porn-eaten-by-badgers
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Re: It's over. (At least in England)
« Reply #22 on: December 15, 2011, 06:40:38 pm »

Solution in the US would be to give out more hunting licenses  :P

The Badgers in the US already have hunting licenses.

Guess what they hunt.

http://filmdrunk.uproxx.com/2011/09/dwarf-who-played-gordon-ramsay-in-porn-eaten-by-badgers

Living proof badgers will stop at nothing to destroy dwarf kind.  :'( :'( :'(

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Re: It's over. (At least in England)
« Reply #23 on: December 15, 2011, 06:44:27 pm »

Badgers are like locusts in one way, and that's that there are an endless amount of them. Unlike locusts, however, badgers have teeth. And claws, and they're bloodthirsty killing machines.

They don't care about your silly little doors. Your gates? Psh! Your moat? Badgers can swim. Better than you, in fact.

Badgers exist solely to kill. Everything. Even other badgers. Thus we have a badger singularity in which after killing all things that can be killed, all badgers will kill themselves and thrust the world into a rip in space time, which shapes it into Armok's Anvil. Indeed, it is through mass badger suicide that all new worlds are created.

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Re: It's over. (At least in England)
« Reply #24 on: December 15, 2011, 06:48:16 pm »

I've never really had a problem with badgers...

Really, if an artifact door can hold the hoardes of hell at bay, surely it can keep the badgers out.

If not, then it sounds like some !!science!! Needs to happen, where some cages loaded with angry rabbid badgers are dropped into the abyss to see what happens.


Now... my problem is with the rabbits.  Damn, I hate rabbits.  It isn't enough for them to stay outside, where they won't cause job cancellations... oh no.

They have to spawn *inside* the fortress.  Magic teleporting white rabbits are the bane of my fortress at the moment.  Constantly appearing in the towercap growing vault.
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Re: It's over. (At least in England)
« Reply #25 on: December 15, 2011, 06:51:28 pm »

I have a hunter I recently renamed "Dirty" Harry Callahan.

He likes to hide a good distance from the badgers invading the map, shot one to enrage it and watch it tear apart the nearest badger.

I once watched him do this to three different badgers in one hunting session.

England, pay attention!
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Re: It's over. (At least in England)
« Reply #26 on: December 15, 2011, 06:53:28 pm »

Really, if an artifact door can hold the hoardes of hell at bay, surely it can keep the badgers out.

An artefact door is better at keeping Dwarves in, when the Badger ninjas have already infiltrated the fortress.

England, pay attention!

Have you seen farmers in the UK ????
If you were stuck between one of those and a badger...

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Re: It's over. (At least in England) NU MO BADGERS FO YO
« Reply #27 on: December 15, 2011, 07:05:59 pm »

Bring them to Australia, they'll be right at home with the other venom spitting/violent/nasty tempered creatures.


In other news, I woke up at 1am today with THIS on my face.
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Though they're harmless and their venom causes little more than a burning sensation, i was frightened into being too alert to sleep. I swiped it off my face and found over the course of ONE NIGHT a group of six of them had turned my roof into one big web.

I'm not even making this shit up.

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Re: It's over. (At least in England) NU MO BADGERS FO YO
« Reply #28 on: December 15, 2011, 07:07:41 pm »

Oh come on, spiders are cute, and to top it off, tasty.

Badgers, I mean yeah they're tasty too, but they find you tasty as well. And they give you super syndromes :o

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Re: It's over. (At least in England) NU MO BADGERS FO YO
« Reply #29 on: December 15, 2011, 07:09:31 pm »

Most spiders are cute. I'm friendly to the Pholcidae, just not when they walk on my face and coat my roof with webs.

Badgers i haven't heard much about. :P
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