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Virex

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Re: Crush on a friend
« Reply #15 on: December 15, 2011, 04:32:40 pm »

Having a crush on someone is your bodies way of reducing her to a piece of fuckmeat (excuzes le mot) and willingly giving in to that means you're dehumanizing her.

You think sexual desire and personal respect can't coexist?
Maybe they can, but sexual desire is objectification no mater what way you turn it. As such, it's inherently inferior to personal respect without sexual desire.
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Re: Crush on a friend
« Reply #16 on: December 15, 2011, 04:33:50 pm »

No one who ever posts a thread like this ever makes any sort of progressive move in forming a relationship, so I'd advise you to save yourself some anguish and let your feelings for her die now rather than later.

Sorry if that seems harsh, but that's how it turns out in every relationship thread out there, or at least all the ones I've seen.
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Re: Crush on a friend
« Reply #17 on: December 15, 2011, 04:35:11 pm »

Virex... what? How does admitting feelings for a friend make you "the kind of guy who only befriends girls because he wants to screw them"? And what is really wrong with that anyways, if you recover well? Hell, one could argue I'm friends with MOST of my friends because I wanted to screw them at some point. I'm not sure why that's an auto-lose.
If you would really care about someone as a friend, why do you feel the need to go beyond being (possibly very good) friends and make it a 'relationship'? Having a crush on someone is your bodies way of reducing her to a piece of fuckmeat (excuzes le mot) and willingly giving in to that means you're dehumanizing her. If that is not the case, why break the friendship?
No...just...No...Where the f*ck did you lean this. This is what sociopaths or hyper-feminists(the ones that chop off people's dicks) say!
People become "more than friends" and get married because they want to spend the rest of of their lives together.
No one who ever posts a thread like this ever makes any sort of progressive move in forming a relationship, so I'd advise you to save yourself some anguish and let your feelings for her die now rather than later.
Exactly, why I never made a relationship thread, shut off the computer and go get em tiger!
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Re: Crush on a friend
« Reply #18 on: December 15, 2011, 04:36:03 pm »

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Maybe they can, but sexual desire is objectification no mater what way you turn it. As such, it's inherently inferior to personal respect without sexual desire.

That's like saying a friendship where I don't want to play chess with someone is better than one where I do, because "desiring to play chess with someone" is objectification.

i.e. that makes no logical sense at all, by any definition of objectification that is also clearly a bad thing

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No...just...No...Where the f*ck did you lean this. This is what sociopaths or hyper-feminists(the ones that chop off people's dicks) say!
Virex IS a hyperfeminist, though.
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Re: Crush on a friend
« Reply #19 on: December 15, 2011, 04:37:04 pm »

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Maybe they can, but sexual desire is objectification no mater what way you turn it. As such, it's inherently inferior to personal respect without sexual desire.

That's like saying a friendship where I don't want to play chess with someone is better than one where I do, because "desiring to play chess with someone" is objectification.

i.e. that makes no logical sense at all, by any definition of objectification that is also clearly a bad thing

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No...just...No...Where the f*ck did you lean this. This is what sociopaths or hyper-feminists(the ones that chop off people's dicks) say!
Virex IS a hyperfeminist, though.
Oh sh*t, nothing personal then...
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Re: Crush on a friend
« Reply #20 on: December 15, 2011, 04:37:31 pm »

I don't think he goes around cutting body parts off people, though, thankfully.
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Re: Crush on a friend
« Reply #21 on: December 15, 2011, 05:54:42 pm »

Yeah sure it's "objectification" if by that you mean it's (consciously or not) judging a person as to whether they meet the standards that you feel are needed to fulfil a specific role. I wouldn't ask an armless man to drive me to the mall and wouldn't ask my poorer friends to lend me a tenner. Heck, judging if a person can be a friend or not is as much of an objectification. You impose criteria and if they step out of the boundaries, you stop thinking of them as friends. If you think you can go through life without doing that, well good luck with either the self-delusion or complete lack of social stimulation.
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Re: Crush on a friend
« Reply #22 on: December 16, 2011, 02:33:57 am »

Warning: This entire post is kind of tangential, dealing with the fundamental ideas behind a post in this thread. It is not actually relevant to the OP, so it may well be considered off-topic. Sorry about that.

Having a crush on someone is your bodies way of reducing her to a piece of fuckmeat (excuzes le mot) and willingly giving in to that means you're dehumanizing her.

You think sexual desire and personal respect can't coexist?
Maybe they can, but sexual desire is objectification no mater what way you turn it. As such, it's inherently inferior to personal respect without sexual desire.
Why is sexual desire necessarily objectification?

I'd be willing to grant that certain subsets of sexual desire are, simply because if you divide it down far enough you reach a point where there's a category of "I want you to use your body to help my body give me an orgasm." And that does, indeed, reduce the bodies of both participants to objects to be used to generate the experience of an orgasm to the person in question. I'm actually not sure if that's exactly objectification, since the bodies in question are objects*, and if it is, I'm not sure it's harmful since it doesn't preclude respect or free will on the part of the other party.

But all sexual desire isn't about orgasms and skin-on-skin sensations of pleasure. Many people have a desire for physical intimacy that is based on emotional sensations that being so close and naked to somebody can create (whether because of cultural indoctrination or biology, whatever), and enjoy the sense of trust that comes from knowing somebody is willing to be that vulnerable with you (and that you are so willing with them).

And the problem with objectification is when it makes you define a person as having value based on whatever you want to use them for, and failing to think of the person as a person. If your relationship still is based on mutual respect, I don't see how sexual desire necessarily undermines that. It could lead to a relationship less based on respect and more on sex, and I'd even be willing to grant that there's an inclination for it to do so, but it's hardly a necessary consequence.

I don't think "Women have no sexual value" is any more progressive than "Women have only sexual value", except possibly if you want to discuss the concept of people having "value", which is a completely unrelated topic as far as I can tell.

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Re: Crush on a friend
« Reply #23 on: December 16, 2011, 04:16:45 am »

I skipped most of the thread :D  Seems it's spiraled off, time to start jamming the skull through the brain and getting sent to prison.

My best advice would be to just let things happen.  You can't force someone to like you.  If you manage to force them, then nothing will end up right.  Just be yourself and if she likes it then she'll pick up.  Don't be all super-flirty and try to steal her away, but just be polite.  Open doors, offer to pay if you stop for fast food or something, listen to what she says...  You are a gentleman and a scholar, and you should present yourself as such!  And if you're actually not, then you have deeper troubles that you need to work through first.  Girls are perceptive though, she'll pick up on little things, and if she doesn't then...  Well, you're a DF player.  You're smart by default, creative, you can do better than a girl who lacks subtly!  And chances are that if you're being a good guy then someone else will notice, and chances are she's perceptive enough to see that you're a good guy, so get with her instead.

At the end though, she's either gonna fall for you, or she's not.  If she does, then that's great, if she doesn't, then it's not the end of the world.

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Re: Crush on a friend
« Reply #24 on: December 16, 2011, 01:43:15 pm »

And instead you'll be the guy who only befriends girls because he wants to screw them.

What? I was suggesting he avoid that very thing. He already befriended her with benign intentions. Now that he has gained romantic intentions to her he needs to immediately start on the normal romantic track and get off the previously okay befriending track.
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Re: Crush on a friend
« Reply #25 on: December 16, 2011, 10:39:08 pm »

Crush=/=wanting to have sex with someone, OK?
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« Reply #26 on: December 16, 2011, 11:24:04 pm »

I assumed Virex was being vulgar. I'm talking about friendship and romantic friendship. Which are also not the same, and nether of them directly involve or avoid sex.
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Re: Crush on a friend
« Reply #27 on: December 17, 2011, 02:39:36 pm »

Having a crush on someone is your bodies way of reducing her to a piece of fuckmeat (excuzes le mot) and willingly giving in to that means you're dehumanizing her.

You think sexual desire and personal respect can't coexist?
Maybe they can, but sexual desire is objectification no mater what way you turn it. As such, it's inherently inferior to personal respect without sexual desire.

“Objectification is an attitude that regards a person as a commodity or as an object for use, with little or no regard for a person's personality or sentience.”
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You incorrectly presume that it is impossible to have sexual desire while maintaining reverence for personality and sentience.

One might suppose that it is nobler to have sexual desire and respect at once, as the former will test the latter. It is easier to maintain the respect without the desire.
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Re: Crush on a friend
« Reply #28 on: December 17, 2011, 03:12:02 pm »

Having a crush on someone is your bodies way of reducing her to a piece of fuckmeat (excuzes le mot) and willingly giving in to that means you're dehumanizing her.

You think sexual desire and personal respect can't coexist?
Maybe they can, but sexual desire is objectification no mater what way you turn it. As such, it's inherently inferior to personal respect without sexual desire.
Hu? no!Everything in this sentence : Sexual desire is no blind lust (and you could want someone ugly out of the respect/love it inspire you) , and a bit of objectification, played for lust, doesn't mean you lack respect.

On topic, try to get a bit clear on your intention and see how she react. Spend time with her, and go for something romantic.
If it fail, say that you respect her a lot and ... you should be able to stay friends.
Warning, advice coming from Europe, cultural difference may apply.
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