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CriticallyAshamed

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« Reply #15 on: December 09, 2011, 08:50:08 am »

I've seen demons of most positions before. I made a world specifically designed to maximise demon prisoners although it also created a lot of leaders. They seem to be able to make their way into a lot of different positions. I *think* the prerequisite for being a lower level nobel is that a different demon has taken the better levels. If I remember correctly there were even a few demons who were nothing but members of civs (without being imprisoned that is)

Edit: Right, I did some digging and found the save. It's on Genesis so I dunno how much that matters. Positions I have seen an & in:
Emperor (Orc)
King (Human or Keeper I assume)
Queen
Master (demonic civilisation)
Law-giver (again, demonic)
A non position, however the demon was killed by an elephant in world-gen. Whether or not that removes his position from legends I'm not sure

Hmmm perhaps I was wrong. It seems the law-giver thing is only for demonic civilisations and the non-position was just caused by death. Interestingly enough however there were a few Demons who become masters of some civlisations and then were imprisoned by an unrelated group. A nord group in particular got off on imprisoning the demonic leaders of a certain group.
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« Reply #16 on: December 09, 2011, 10:56:15 am »

Funny. I knew that leaders of civs could be demons but I've never heard of diplomats or similar lessers under the monarch being demons.

You must teach your dwarves the demon-tongue, so that they may shout otherworldly battle cries at their enemies.

iv gotten two demon diplomats on the same game before O.O
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« Reply #17 on: December 09, 2011, 11:02:37 am »

I had a FB Diplomat once :)

"Errr... welcome?"

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« Reply #18 on: December 09, 2011, 11:09:07 am »

thats actually suiting because my first demon diplomat was a turtoise demon
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Cellmonk

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« Reply #19 on: December 09, 2011, 11:41:02 pm »

I've seen demons of most positions before. I made a world specifically designed to maximise demon prisoners although it also created a lot of leaders...

Fascinating! I always enjoyed the as-of-yet underdeveloped political system of dwarf fortress... I'm quite curious how you maximized demon prisoners. If you have any tips on how to mess with the political structure of a gen, please tell me.
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« Reply #20 on: December 10, 2011, 02:19:37 am »

i had a demon "friendly" diplomat walk around my fort for a while... apparently he was spreading some kind of syndrome cause my dwarves started rotting or something... and i am PRETTY sure it couldn't have come from any other source. Lesson here is... uh.
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« Reply #21 on: December 10, 2011, 10:37:26 am »

Law-givers are like human monarchs, except they can be demons.
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« Reply #22 on: December 10, 2011, 12:38:55 pm »

^Yes, and also note that they may come as diplomats despite being the leader of the civ.

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« Reply #23 on: December 10, 2011, 02:11:25 pm »

One of my forts had a goblin king for a while, and then of course last year we had the ogre mayor, but this one beats all. 

I think of this sort of thing as an evil human civilization.  Just sort of makes sense.
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« Reply #24 on: December 14, 2011, 05:51:29 am »

I've seen demons of most positions before. I made a world specifically designed to maximise demon prisoners although it also created a lot of leaders...

Fascinating! I always enjoyed the as-of-yet underdeveloped political system of dwarf fortress... I'm quite curious how you maximized demon prisoners. If you have any tips on how to mess with the political structure of a gen, please tell me.

It was less a case of editing politics more a case of maximising the types of demons. I'm reasonably sure that was the reason for the huge amount of them. I know I saw at least 15 demons (at the time I was attempting to make a squad of demon companions, however I was foiled by a blizzard occuring in a city that contained ~5) imprisoned. From what I remember most positions are editable in the entity files though?
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« Reply #25 on: December 14, 2011, 06:02:43 am »

I've seen demons of most positions before. I made a world specifically designed to maximise demon prisoners although it also created a lot of leaders...

Fascinating! I always enjoyed the as-of-yet underdeveloped political system of dwarf fortress... I'm quite curious how you maximized demon prisoners. If you have any tips on how to mess with the political structure of a gen, please tell me.

It was less a case of editing politics more a case of maximising the types of demons. I'm reasonably sure that was the reason for the huge amount of them. I know I saw at least 15 demons (at the time I was attempting to make a squad of demon companions, however I was foiled by a blizzard occuring in a city that contained ~5) imprisoned. From what I remember most positions are editable in the entity files though?

So increasing the demon type count increases their prevalence? Nice. I had assumed that it was more top-down, as in an event "demon escaped" led to a random draw of the demon varieties. But it seems that its the other way around, with each variety being assigned an infinite demon pool which each has a chance of escaping. This needs some !!science!!.

And ill need to look into entity file editing. I know nothing of it.
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« Reply #26 on: December 15, 2011, 10:38:14 pm »

"she is very fat."

Well that sure isn't very nice, I bet being a towering lizard demon makes your diet hard to keep track of.
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« Reply #27 on: December 16, 2011, 12:14:41 am »

"she is very fat."

Well that sure isn't very nice, I bet being a towering lizard demon makes your diet hard to keep track of.

Well, lizards have notoriously slow metabolisms, and being a diplomat and all, she just couldn't turn down those masterfully chopped Forgotten Beast testicles.
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