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Author Topic: I just had my first !SCIENCE moment. *SPOILERS* (and clown cannons)  (Read 9714 times)

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Re: I just had my first !SCIENCE moment.
« Reply #90 on: December 11, 2011, 02:55:21 pm »

So you discovered the nature of the circus?
Neat.
Anytime someone finds out about the circus and it is documented by this, the world is getting richer.
Though I thought there would be a more terryfied reaction, and you crying "WHY DIDN'T YOU WARN ME??", still, I like this.
greetz and good luck surviving FPS and clown death

On a side note:
You simply could have floored over the disco floor.
Just to mention it
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Re: I just had my first !SCIENCE moment.
« Reply #91 on: December 11, 2011, 03:34:33 pm »

You mean the glowing floor?
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« Reply #92 on: December 11, 2011, 05:33:35 pm »

Yeah, if you just construct something over the glowing floor before the sword is removed, Hell isn't revealed.

These types of thread are always fun because we can, completely honestly, assure unsuspecting victims that the demonic fortress isn't actually that dangerous to enter, and that getting to the upright sword isn't actually that difficult :P What we typically don't mention is that actually taking the sword is probably the most dangerous thing that can be done, for the reasons you've noticed. I suspect that people who have been lucky enough to have avoided spoilers are warned that there's something up with the forts from all the vague encouragement they get, but they seem to usually guess that it's the fort itself, rather than what's below it, that is being hidden.

Anyway, easy ways to kill demons include: cave-ins, long fields of upright spike traps linked to a lever that is pulled on repeat (trapavoiders don't have immunity to those), and obsidianization. Filling a long hallway with magma, letting the demons into it, and then letting water flow over the top of it (preferably through grates) is an easy, fairly repeatable method of killing the demons, but personally I prefer the spike trap route. Mind you, it takes about 40-50 strikes from steel spikes to kill an organic clown, so even with 10 spikes per trap you'll need a fairly long field, and any fire demons will destroy the trap that kills them and possibly adjacent traps unless they're made entirely from adamantine (hellfire is literally hotter than the sun and fire demons break into a cloud of it when they die).

Edit: Also, I should mention that if the path from the depths to your fort proper is entirely sealed off, eventually your FPS should return to its natural levels as the clowns map the lack of routes. Of course, if/when you open it up again it'll fall, but that will make it easier to build up proper defenses.
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Re: I just had my first !SCIENCE moment.
« Reply #93 on: December 11, 2011, 06:27:14 pm »

Also, now that we've had the reveal it would probably be good to add *SPOILERS* to the thread title.

Good Luck! :)
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Re: I just had my first !SCIENCE moment.
« Reply #94 on: December 11, 2011, 06:59:38 pm »

Hey Necro, great to have you back.
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Re: I just had my first !SCIENCE moment.
« Reply #95 on: December 11, 2011, 07:03:10 pm »

Yeah, if you just construct something over the glowing floor before the sword is removed, Hell isn't revealed.

These types of thread are always fun because we can, completely honestly, assure unsuspecting victims that the demonic fortress isn't actually that dangerous to enter, and that getting to the upright sword isn't actually that difficult :P What we typically don't mention is that actually taking the sword is probably the most dangerous thing that can be done, for the reasons you've noticed. I suspect that people who have been lucky enough to have avoided spoilers are warned that there's something up with the forts from all the vague encouragement they get, but they seem to usually guess that it's the fort itself, rather than what's below it, that is being hidden.

Anyway, easy ways to kill demons include: cave-ins, long fields of upright spike traps linked to a lever that is pulled on repeat (trapavoiders don't have immunity to those), and obsidianization. Filling a long hallway with magma, letting the demons into it, and then letting water flow over the top of it (preferably through grates) is an easy, fairly repeatable method of killing the demons, but personally I prefer the spike trap route. Mind you, it takes about 40-50 strikes from steel spikes to kill an organic clown, so even with 10 spikes per trap you'll need a fairly long field, and any fire demons will destroy the trap that kills them and possibly adjacent traps unless they're made entirely from adamantine (hellfire is literally hotter than the sun and fire demons break into a cloud of it when they die).

Edit: Also, I should mention that if the path from the depths to your fort proper is entirely sealed off, eventually your FPS should return to its natural levels as the clowns map the lack of routes. Of course, if/when you open it up again it'll fall, but that will make it easier to build up proper defenses.

I initially thought something really powerful was guarding the sword, but when that turned out not to be the case, I got a pretty good idea of what was about to happen. Of course, I was expecting like, maybe a Balrog or something, not a horde of demons.
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« Reply #96 on: December 11, 2011, 07:17:32 pm »

Reading this thread has brought me such joy.

I love you Archeron.
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Re: I just had my first !SCIENCE moment. *SPOILERS*
« Reply #97 on: December 11, 2011, 07:24:08 pm »

I initially thought something really powerful was guarding the sword, but when that turned out not to be the case, I got a pretty good idea of what was about to happen. Of course, I was expecting like, maybe a Balrog or something, not a horde of demons.
Demons are, IIRC, like 40x the size of a dwarf. So, a swarm of Balrogs that breathe nastiness. Their size also means that blunt weapons aren't terribly effective, but things like spears (and to a smaller extent, swords) are. I'd stay away from direct combat, though, and stick to repeater spikes/cave-ins if you seriously want to get rid of them.

Also, thank you for not wussing out and pulling the sword. Seeing someone new get introduced to the clowns is always a special moment.
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Re: I just had my first !SCIENCE moment. *SPOILERS*
« Reply #98 on: December 11, 2011, 07:33:58 pm »

^^ Thanks, I live to please lol.

Well, my FPS seems to be going up to somewhere near normal, which, I guess, means that the demons are now sealed in hell...

I'm making a bunch of adamantine spear traps, which is going to take a long time. I think that instead of trying to kill all the demons in hell, I'll use them to make a cat powered cannon that shoots demons.

No really. I actually had an Idea about how to do that: Make a superpressureized water cannon something along the lines of failcannon, lure demons up into the barrel using a cat as bait or something like that, pressurize the "barrel" with water, than open a one block wide drawbridge to fire the demon cannon.
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« Reply #99 on: December 11, 2011, 07:40:03 pm »

I love that idea. Not certain it will hurt any of them, because their size, but still something I would love to see in action.

Something that's getting to me though, I've been playing with clowns for a year now, but I still haven't figured out how to move ettins out of the cages I catch them in to put them to any use. How do you do it, and how did you already figure that out?
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« Reply #100 on: December 11, 2011, 07:43:17 pm »

I actually didn't use the ettin because my builders kept wussing out at the sight of the zombie crundles in the fortress. My plan was to build the cage, link it to a lever, then pull it to release the ettin.

Plus the demon cannon is more meant to be used against goblins (or elves  :D :D :D !!!)...Will demons attack goblins? If not, oh well, but it's still a literal hell cannon that shoots demons.
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Re: I just had my first !SCIENCE moment. *SPOILERS* (and clown cannons)
« Reply #101 on: December 12, 2011, 04:15:38 am »

Deja Vu.

when threads like htis pop up i am happy.

as for the cage thing:
Pens, pits, other cages, linking to a lever and sending the cage to the trade deport are all ways of releasing the occupants of said cage.
Safest is evidently the linking to a lever.
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Re: I just had my first !SCIENCE moment. *SPOILERS* (and clown cannons)
« Reply #102 on: December 12, 2011, 05:28:00 am »

You know, a few posts ago when I referenced the sword in the stone, that wasn't you  :)

Anyway, time to construct a wooden wall! Nothing can get past that except for dwarves!!

Love threads like these, one of them is documented in the Hall of Legends too, link in my signature.
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Re: I just had my first !SCIENCE moment. *SPOILERS* (and clown cannons)
« Reply #103 on: December 12, 2011, 08:23:16 am »

There's actually a (fairly) simple way of dealing with the demons, documented here.

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Re: I just had my first !SCIENCE moment. *SPOILERS* (and clown cannons)
« Reply #104 on: December 12, 2011, 10:29:18 am »

Simple?


Pfff, simplicity is not the dwarven way, you have to make it ridiculously complicated. Which is why I'm attempting to make a cannon to shoot demons at elves and goblins with.
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