Jim: Let me get this straight: you consider it rather scummy to agree with (parts of) Leafsnail's case, because you disagree completely with the case, but you don't tend to get anywhere when arguing with Leafsnail about things you disagree with, so you're deciding to skip arguing with him about his case, and are just arguing with everyone who (partially) agrees with him about his case? And, while you find the anti-OB argument rather scummy, it isn't really impacting your read on Leafsnail much?
It sounds like you're describing someone who has a problem with people bandwagoning. That sounds like me! Very much like me, in fact.
But it also sounds like you're trying to describe it as a crime.
Jim: Not exactly. I'm describing someone who makes statements like this:
All I see you saying is that Orangebottle was rolefishing, which is an accusation I don't agree with and I suspect you for so readily agreeing with it.
Statements that indicate that it isn't just bandwagoning that you have a problem with, but agreeing with the argument, whether augmented with additional arguments or not.
So basically exactly what I've been saying all along.
Read on him wasn't very strong my ass. Did you always know that your vote on Orangebottle was flimsy, or is this a recent development?
And how did it take you this long to figure this out?
First question: My vote was not nearly as strong as I wished it was at any point today, and I always knew that, but I had more on OB than on anyone else, so I went for the person I found scummiest. Simple as that.
Second question: Two things:
*His responses to my questions were the
first time I actually saw anything resembling the whole "deferring to attacker's opinion" thing you mentioned in his play today. Would you be kind enough to show other moments?
*His responses were just like those to me in Ockham's, with the confusion about how his own brain works and such.
Finally, just to be clear: You find it hard to argue with Leafsnail, and you find it hard to read Leafsnail, so you've decided to not bother trying to argue with him? Or is there another factor in this?
Jack:
Unvote. Orangebottle is strongly reminding me of his play in Ockham's, as town. He seems confused in the same basic way as he did in Ockham's. My read on him wasn't very strong anyway, so, onwards.
This is interesting.
I saw Orangebottle as the scummiest player at the time (and still do)
Hmmm...
Scummiest player, and then you don't really have a strong read on me? How does that work?
Orangebottle: It's simple. You were scummiest in a mass of people who either looked rather town or I had neutral reads on. Didn't take much. If you're wondering why I didn't yell something like "My read sucks!" before voting, think about how bad that would be for pressure.