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Re: Paranormal Mafia 20 - Stalkers in Space - Day 1
« Reply #90 on: December 11, 2011, 02:11:13 am »

Shark: How do you plan to win this game?
Not sure if i'm overthinking it, but I think this question is rolefishing, because to answer, the person answering has to talk about their win conditions. I don't really like to answer that kind of question. But my general plan across all games that I've developed is that no matter what team, is to never overreact to things, it never works. Otherwise, I wing it based on role and situation. I don't have much experience so i'm still experimenting with playstyles.

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I'm not asking RVS like questions, I don't like it. I don't really have material to scumhunt with yet, so i'm waiting for some actual material to question. I could try asking some questions, but people like nuke do not seem to be play seriously until after RVS, I don't want to judge people when they're dicking around because they have nothing to do in day 1.

First off, this comes across more as overly cautious play.  You're taking a softball question and make an accusation of rolefishing (scummy, since the only thing he could divine is your faction, not your specific role) while dodging the answer at the same time.  Town, scum, and third parties are all going to claim to be vanilla town, and give some variant of the typical "I plan to hunt scum and live" spiel everyone gives.

Why are you so afraid of telling us how you plan to win as town?  Don't want us to be able to tell when you're violating your own strategy so we can't bust you for it?  Or are you so wrapped up in your plans as scum you see a potential scumslip behind every post and refuse to even answer an easy RVS question?

Also, avoiding RVS is somewhat anti-town.  The entire purpose is to get the scumhunting started.  If you don't like it, make like NUKE and do something outrageous or unorthodox to move things along.  Come up with your preferred alternative to RVS, and try it.  What you do not do, EVER, is come out and say you're going to lurk until something interesting happens.  Lurking and waiting on others is scummy because it does nothing to help town at all.

You're making this too easy, Shark
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Re: Paranormal Mafia 20 - Stalkers in Space - Day 1
« Reply #91 on: December 11, 2011, 02:17:35 am »

But it was still worth taking the time to correct it, in Random Vote Stage- why?  What was the harm in leaving your vote there while you went to class?

It would have bugged me. I don't like leaving things where they don't belong.

Shark: How do you plan to win this game?
Not sure if i'm overthinking it, but I think this question is rolefishing, because to answer, the person answering has to talk about their win conditions. I don't really like to answer that kind of question. But my general plan across all games that I've developed is that no matter what team, is to never overreact to things, it never works. Otherwise, I wing it based on role and situation. I don't have much experience so i'm still experimenting with playstyles.

This talk of rolefishing seems to have gotten to you. I was hoping that if you were scum you'd make some silly mistake like saying you'd try to find and lynch "threats" instead of "scum" or something like that. You called it rolefishing and refused to answer because scum would incriminate themselves if they were truthful. I can honestly say I wasn't expecting that sort of overreaction. Mafia lesson: scum can be reasonably expected to lie if doing so makes them look more like town.

My vote has found a home for now.
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Re: Paranormal Mafia 20 - Stalkers in Space - Day 1
« Reply #92 on: December 11, 2011, 02:18:55 am »

EBWOP: Damn you Other Urist. That's what I get for leaving my reply for a few minutes.
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Re: Paranormal Mafia 20 - Stalkers in Space - Day 1
« Reply #93 on: December 11, 2011, 02:28:54 am »

This tells me nothing.

I want insight, not excuses.

You won't find the insight you're looking for by looking at me, that's for sure. It was a spontaneous thing.
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Re: Paranormal Mafia 20 - Stalkers in Space - Day 1
« Reply #94 on: December 11, 2011, 02:50:30 am »

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Re: Paranormal Mafia 20 - Stalkers in Space - Day 1
« Reply #95 on: December 11, 2011, 04:16:23 am »

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: Does it really not seem problematic to you that your logic appears to be "It's okay for me to rolefish, because he can bullshit me," ignoring that the same thing would make him a danger to every town role? Are you attempting to make him endanger town roles?
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Re: Paranormal Mafia 20 - Stalkers in Space - Day 1
« Reply #96 on: December 11, 2011, 05:11:33 am »

I was hoping that if you were scum you'd make some silly mistake like saying you'd try to find and lynch "threats" instead of "scum" or something like that.
...that's ridiculously stupid.

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Re: Paranormal Mafia 20 - Stalkers in Space - Day 1
« Reply #97 on: December 11, 2011, 05:20:28 am »

Indeed it is, but it would have provided something to start questioning him on. If stupid things help find scum then I'm all for them.
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Re: Paranormal Mafia 20 - Stalkers in Space - Day 1
« Reply #98 on: December 11, 2011, 07:15:11 am »

Hmm.
Interesting.

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Re: Paranormal Mafia 20 - Stalkers in Space - Day 1
« Reply #99 on: December 11, 2011, 07:47:26 am »

Indeed it is, but it would have provided something to start questioning him on. If stupid things help find scum then I'm all for them.
How would the fact that Shark used 'threats' instead of 'scum' help you find scum?

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Re: Paranormal Mafia 20 - Stalkers in Space - Day 1
« Reply #100 on: December 11, 2011, 08:11:27 am »

I would ask him what sort of threats he was referring to, and sort of wing it from there.

I will admit it was a bad example.
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Re: Paranormal Mafia 20 - Stalkers in Space - Day 1
« Reply #101 on: December 11, 2011, 08:31:22 am »

Wing it how?

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Re: Paranormal Mafia 20 - Stalkers in Space - Day 1
« Reply #102 on: December 11, 2011, 11:38:28 am »

As you guys can see, how i've only made one post, it turns out that i'm not really in to this mafia game for some reason. I'm just finding it boring. I have no motivation and it would be much better for the game if I was replaced. Sorry about this, I don't know why this just isn't fun for me, despite that I've had fun with previous games here.

I'm requesting a replacement, if possible.
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Re: Paranormal Mafia 20 - Stalkers in Space - Day 1
« Reply #103 on: December 11, 2011, 11:51:18 am »

Shark: How do you plan to win this game?
Not sure if i'm overthinking it, but I think this question is rolefishing, because to answer, the person answering has to talk about their win conditions. I don't really like to answer that kind of question. But my general plan across all games that I've developed is that no matter what team, is to never overreact to things, it never works. Otherwise, I wing it based on role and situation. I don't have much experience so i'm still experimenting with playstyles.

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I'm not asking RVS like questions, I don't like it. I don't really have material to scumhunt with yet, so i'm waiting for some actual material to question. I could try asking some questions, but people like nuke do not seem to be play seriously until after RVS, I don't want to judge people when they're dicking around because they have nothing to do in day 1.

First off, this comes across more as overly cautious play.  You're taking a softball question and make an accusation of rolefishing (scummy, since the only thing he could divine is your faction, not your specific role) while dodging the answer at the same time.  Town, scum, and third parties are all going to claim to be vanilla town, and give some variant of the typical "I plan to hunt scum and live" spiel everyone gives.

Why are you so afraid of telling us how you plan to win as town?  Don't want us to be able to tell when you're violating your own strategy so we can't bust you for it?  Or are you so wrapped up in your plans as scum you see a potential scumslip behind every post and refuse to even answer an easy RVS question?

Also, avoiding RVS is somewhat anti-town.  The entire purpose is to get the scumhunting started.  If you don't like it, make like NUKE and do something outrageous or unorthodox to move things along.  Come up with your preferred alternative to RVS, and try it.  What you do not do, EVER, is come out and say you're going to lurk until something interesting happens.  Lurking and waiting on others is scummy because it does nothing to help town at all.

You're making this too easy, Shark

If you already know what every faction is going to claim to be/do/say, then why is it a huge deal to you what Shark says? Do you need him to feed you what you just claimed to know was a lie, just to satisfy your sense of rightness?

I disagree that avoiding RVS is a scummy move. I don't think I really need to explain that, but if I do then let me know. I'll make sure to use my extra-large Comic Sans to explain it to you.

Overall, this feels like a bandwagon with shaky reasoning at best. You're the fourth vote on Shark, so you must be convinced of his scumminess and be ready to lynch him, right? Because vote four isn't a pressure vote in almost any case.

Wing it how?

This. There's a lot of talk about "winging it" and I don't like it. That's an easy way to avoid suspicion when your lynch target flips town: "Oh, uh, I was just winging it, you know. So it wasn't really my fault." The point of asking someone for what they would do in a certain situation is to observe if they actually do what they said they would do when that situation actually happens.

So Urist I, let's get specific. You must have something in mind. What would you do if you got unsatisfactory answers?
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Re: Paranormal Mafia 20 - Stalkers in Space - Day 1
« Reply #104 on: December 11, 2011, 12:56:19 pm »

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: Does it really not seem problematic to you that your logic appears to be "It's okay for me to rolefish, because he can bullshit me," ignoring that the same thing would make him a danger to every town role? Are you attempting to make him endanger town roles?
I asked the question because I wanted to know if he would claim immediately to avoid being targeted by town roles, or if he wouldn't claim and let a few townies die for the chance of scum also dying. AKA I wanted to know how he would use it.
So, yes and no.
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