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Author Topic: Sigh... My dad and viruses.  (Read 8637 times)

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Re: Sigh... My dad and viruses.
« Reply #30 on: December 24, 2011, 01:27:54 pm »

It might also be dispensed through advertising, as, if I recall, Darvi blocks those.
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« Reply #31 on: December 24, 2011, 01:28:09 pm »

Must be on those few pages I never read then i.e. PSL and stuff.
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Re: Sigh... My dad and viruses.
« Reply #32 on: December 24, 2011, 03:17:15 pm »

The most recent infected page (and the only even close to recent one I remember) is Summon Bigger Fish.
I think it might be ads too, but my dad doesn't know that they can just do that >.> <.<
He still thinks it's click-only.
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« Reply #33 on: December 25, 2011, 07:02:02 am »

The most recent infected page (and the only even close to recent one I remember) is Summon Bigger Fish.
Here was me thinking that it was extremely unlikely that I'd have gotten around to stumbling across any page that was at fault, but I went there fairly recently (a couple of weeks ago?), interestingly.  No sign of infection at that time (and generally confident that the machine I used would have either flagged it up at the time or pointed out the infection later).

Not that this means anything if I didn't hit the particular timeslot that it was infected during.  Not on my 'own' machine, today, so not going to test it out right now.


(Regarding the concept of Summon Bigger Fish, I could tell you tales about Air Wall being my 'SBF' in one particular campaign.  But probably not relevant to the actual matter at hand. :) )
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« Reply #34 on: December 25, 2011, 07:22:53 am »

If you have a decent browser and security system, even clicking shouldn't be enough to give you a virus - you should actually have to download something and run it unsecurely, probably as an executable.

So maybe that was where you were getting your virus, but if so that means your security is EXTREMELY lax. What does your firewall look like and what browser do you use, anyways?

Chances are good it will happen again if you don't do something to fix the real problem.
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« Reply #35 on: December 25, 2011, 05:38:59 pm »

inherent in topic:
i got a virus on the 25 (today) as a christmas gift, yeahy!
guess what it did? it simply kept pumping in the system more trojans, until in the end it chewed up my entire operating system!
i tried using every single friggin antivirus in the market, doing complete scans and all, but after a final "reboot to clean" it simply stopped working.
so, i had to re-install everything after formatting!.
my computer does like this though, clean and shiny and polished.
and with a lot of free space inside.
*goes back to re-installing steam, and re-download all the games in there*
*arghs*
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« Reply #36 on: December 25, 2011, 09:57:43 pm »

Protip: Install an OS onto a usb memory stick for cleaning broken systems.
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« Reply #37 on: December 26, 2011, 03:55:55 am »

You might want to consider creating a limited access account for windows, instead of always logging in as administrator.

With a LOA log in, there is a lot less a virus can do to mess with your computer because a virus can't do anything that'd require admistrator rights on your computer, like install software, ect. You can also periodically delete the limited user account along with any viruses that might have been picked up anyways. Only use the adminstrater account when you absolutely have to.

Also, don't use Internet Explorer as a browser.
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« Reply #38 on: December 26, 2011, 11:30:56 pm »

I'm hugely bias but my suggestion is to whip Windows off of the thing and install Linux.  Most viruses explicitly target Windows and as such, OSX and any form of Linux are just plain immune to them.  Not that you don't have to think about security with these OS's, but it's a step (or fifty) up from Windows.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha!

Are you serious?
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« Reply #39 on: December 26, 2011, 11:52:35 pm »

TVTropes has viruses? Supersadface. Anyway, glad to hear you solved this problem.
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« Reply #40 on: December 27, 2011, 03:45:13 am »

Ha ha ha ha ha ha!

Are you serious?
You're not a 'low-hanging fruit' with Linux.

Whether you can handle the OS change (or, more reasonably, you can easily get the programs you want to run working under the new regime) is probably the biggest argument against switching to Linux.

Personally, I've seen a few distros that do their darndest to look and feel like the latest Mac and Win OSes.  Not that I'm personally enamoured of contemporary Win and Mac desktop styles, but I can see how they'd satisfy those who are.  With all the 'usual' plugins installed (or functionally-equivalent versions, thereof) they'd do most of what a follower of Web 2.0 technology would want to do, and you may only have to worry a little about whether Wine or another method is up to letting you run that actual program, as opposed to various ubiquitous and soulless cross-platform webapps.


So, anyway, while I wouldn't suggest Linux as a panacea, I don't see an issue with it as a Windows (or Mac!) replacement.  For either those geeky enough to handle the change, or those so basic in understanding that it's just "a different interface through which to browse the web as normal", which is what various non-Windows netbook installs caters for.  It's actually the middle-ground of experience that I feel sorriest for, should such people be forced to change systems.
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Re: Sigh... My dad and viruses.
« Reply #41 on: December 27, 2011, 03:59:33 am »

that, and linux is easier to hack than windows, figure that one out.

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« Reply #42 on: December 27, 2011, 04:34:12 am »

that, and linux is easier to hack than windows, figure that one out.
Properly set up, it isn't.  Distros that don't encourage (or enforce) non-root account access for everyday use are pretty secure.  And while "security through obscurity" is not something to rely upon, when you receive a windows-executable trojan through email (or off of a web-page) and are fool enough to click on it (never mind the methods used to get them to auto-execute, which don't even apply so well under Linux) the general attack vector is going to fail.

The attacker needs to know you're on Linux, be targeting you specifically with methods other than subverting something like your SVCHOST.EXE, etc.  And if you've got someone targeting you specifically then its a different battle to the one in which J. Random Malwarer is just trying to accumulate a BotNet of his/her own by the shotgun method of deployment...

I've also 'hacked' (you mean 'cracked', yes?) both Windows and Linux systems...  In authorised "the owners need my help" ways, and its far easier to recover and/or reset Windows passwords (even without resorting to Windows-specific hacking programs) than to even get to the shadowed passwords on a Linux system that you've not already got root access to.  IME, YMMV.
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« Reply #43 on: December 27, 2011, 05:13:56 am »

Okay, I don't exactly want to start some sort of OS fanboy war, but assuming that you won't get viruses or you'll be nigh-immune to them simply because you don't have Windows is pretty silly.

I've got a laptop that runs Mac OSX and a PC that runs Windows XP. I think I've actually ended up with more viruses on my laptop than on my PC (thanks in part to the fact that there aren't any good, free virus-scanners and such that I know about for Mac OSX). All sides have their merits. Windows is a nice mid-point between 'total computer noob accessibility' and 'l33t hacker ability', Mac is comfy and easy to wear and I suppose Linux is nice for those who know how to code stuff (my friend had linux on his laptop and we found it hilariously easy to turn it off when he wasn't looking, thanks to lack of 'are you sure you want to quit?' dialog box XD)
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« Reply #44 on: December 27, 2011, 06:25:15 am »

Oh, I consider myself more a Windows user than a *nix one[1].  I also think (IMO, ICBW) that Mac has perhaps become just too much of a populist platform to remain unobserved by Malware writers, and the old adage of there being "No viruses for the Mac" is even less true than when originally erroneously stated.

The original Internet Worm was essentially Unix-based (we can quibble over that detail at another time, if anyone wishes), long before CodeRed or Melissa or them other new-fangled[2] efforts and I've already mentioned that obscurity is not a valid replacement for security.  Immunity is something different, and a targetted attack on a system is going to be more successful, regardless of what is on the receiving end.  But how many malwareheads are going to choose Linux as their target-du-jour when not consciously attacking resources that they know to be mostly/entirely Linux?  Heck, I think I'd even consider an attack against a lone Windows machine within an organisation in order to use that as a stepping stone to either reconnoitre or launch my Linux-specific attack from, where every other workstation is so inclined.

Attack the likes of Amazon, and yes you could make the choice to primarily go for non-Windows exploits (if I'm remembering their shop-policy correctly).  Fish (or phish) the general population and you'd usually make your choice of using Windows-breaking attacks.  Perhaps Macs if you happen to have a handy exploit for that platform at hand.  (Naturally, if I were breaking into an alien mothership's systems, I'd be using a Mac platform to make the attack with. :) )  If I had a zero-day exploit for the Linux kernel at hand (and the will to maliciously use it), I'd not expect it to give me much in the way of a positive response for 99% of all attacks I'd initiate (or more, or less, depending on how much I had to wrap it in social-engineering guff to get it carried out, but the upper rate of success would be well within an order of magnitude of that provisional 1%), and even if I expected to get general fruition from the attempt I'd probably be detected in my task far earlier and locked back out (or tracked back towards) so much earlier.


And Windows is getting better[3] at being intrinsically non-hackable (and I actually hate how dumbed down the default configuration of the newer versions are for everyday use, to be honest, but I'll still use it through sheer inertia), although I'd never go without 3rd-party protection.  I forget what is available for Macs, but I know there's plenty of them out there (at least prior to OSX, and I assume they'd have been updated/converted) as there is for Linux.  Free as well as paid-for.

The end-user (aided and abetted by more 'accessible' interfaces) is probably a bigger proportion of the security threat under certain brandings of Linux than the rest, given the philosophy that trusts the user proportionately more (i.e. that they are only being 'root' when necessary[4]) being subverted by the distros that leave the keys in a bowl in the hallway to make it easier.  But I don't like those distros because (in a not strictly related manner, although both due to trying to make them more user-friendly) I don't like their default interfaces either.

The best exceptions I can quote are Puppy (default root access, the last version I used, thus potentially vulnerable if it weren't for other factors) which has the nice combination of spartan and functional interface that I like, and which I use in a non-persistent fashion, and Backtrack (again, possibly easy root access, although 'hardened' in other ways) that while I may rue the 'script-kiddie' nature of its running does at least what it is supposed to do.  But I wouldn't suggest either of these as full-on workstation installs.  And I'm more a Fedora person (though not updated for a couple of major versions, at least) than a *buntu one.

But, as I said, most of the time I'm Windows-based.  Despite myself, perhaps, but also because of convenience.



[1] And back in the day I used to do mean shell-scripts, that still rival what even the extended DOS batch files are intrinsically capable of, even though you can now get them to jump through various hoops previously not really possible without 3rd-party commands

[2] Showing my age, here...  And I know there's been a lot of water under that bridge since these...

[3] From a pretty bad starting point, it has to be said.

[4] Although I've railed against UAC in Windows, in the past.  This is one big catflap of a loophole in the barrier intended to block the originally wide-open door from the time when Windows didn't so much trust the end-user, but never considered the question to even be relevant.
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