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[mr. macduggan]

I think that you can't use all 64x64 of the sprite- that's the MAXIMUM size for a pokemon, not the standard size. In the future, we need to get a few pixels at the bottom unsused. If we edit the sprite for shush/espier/whichever ones are giving us trouble, as long as the top few pixels are not filled we could transpose the entire sprite up so that it would stand on the grass better.

[Bluerobin]

I ended up pushing the ROM anyway since we can always roll back and this way other people can poke at it and see if they can fix it.

[mr. macduggan]

Sounds good. I mean, it's not really that big a deal. Thanks for adding in the new pokemon bluerobin!

[Bluerobin]

Reudh, I took the move list for the spawn mons and shifted things around so the order of moves seemed a bit more reasonable. I'll explain what that means after the list.

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Tackle         1
Leech Life 1
Bite         5
Growl         8
Howl         12
Scary Face 16
Poison Fang 20 23
Slash        26 29
Taunt         29 33
Crunch         34 38
Glare         39 42
Take Down 44 49
Crush Claw 49 54
Torment         53 57
Thrash         56 61Basically I took moves like Slash and Crunch and shifted them down a bit because they're fairly powerful and they do bonus damage because they share a type with the mon. If you were planning on giving them good stats too they would be very powerful. Like, no-mons-in-the-vanilla-games-get-the-moves-that-early powerful. This may have been on purpose, but I'd disagree with that decision, personally. I spaced out the moves relatively evenly, but feel free to make the gaps less even if you want. Typically big gaps (more than 6 levels or so) is a very rare gimmick in the later generations. Obviously if you only have 12 moves or so and you want them to learn moves until level 60 there are going to be some bigger gaps, so it depends a bit on the mon, but I think we've been around 14-19 moves so far. If you don't like what I did, let me know and I'll avoid it in the future. I just had a spare few minutes and figured I'd give it a rearrange.

Alright, so a few questions for people. Which mons do we want in between Headshoots and Syrupleaf? Hapups and Spawndorfs, I'm guessing from the script, plus one more? Maybe carry over Brumbles or use Caviders (if underground) or Macookies (if aboveground)? I'm just trying to get an idea so we can know which order to be working on the mons. On the topic of aboveground/belowground, were we planning on Syrupleaf being underground? Also, should it be somewhat centrally located on the map since it's the hub? Not necessarily attached to everything, but closer to the middle than the edge?

[Reudh]

Depends on the level. Wild Hapups and Brumbles. Spawndorfs would make up the majority of the Bayomon there, being a slightly higher level than the Hapups and Brumbles.

I think that moveset is perfect.

[Bluerobin]

Alright, moveset and stats for the Hapup line:

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Hapup (Rock) -17-> Rockweiler (Rock) --> Kanite (Rock/Steel) or --> Rockstarr (Rock/Electric)
Tackle         1
Tail Whip 1
Lick         3
Fury Swipes 5
Bide         8
Rock Throw 11
Spark        13
Flame Wheel 16
Metal Claw 19 20 20 20
Agility         23 24 24 24
Body Slam 27 29 29 29
Rock Slide 31 34 34 34
Yawn         35 39 39 39
Iron Defense 39 44 44
Thunder Wave 44
Eruption 43 49
Iron Tail 49
Volt Tackle 50

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Hapup - Rock
HP 55
Attack 45
Defense 50
Special Attack 38
Special Defense 38
Speed 29
Total 255

Rockweiler - Rock
HP 80
Attack 90
Defense 75
Special Attack 70
Special Defense 65
Speed 50
Total 430

Kanite - Rock/Steel
HP 80
Attack 90
Defense 80
Special Attack 50
Special Defense 70
Speed 45
Total 415

Rockstarr - Rock/Electric
HP 75
Attack 65
Defense 55
Special Attack 90
Special Defense 70
Speed 60
Total 415I'm not sure about the stats for Kanite/Rockstarr because I'm not sure if they're supposed to be a third evolution (better than Rockweiler) or an offshoot (similar to Rockweiler). As it is now Hapup is thoroughly average with a little emphasis on physical defense, Rockweiler's more aggressive, still primarily physical, Kanite is similar but with slightly better defenses and lower special attack, and Rockstarr is a bit faster and more special attack/defense oriented. Kanite and Rockstarr have better typing than Rockweiler (both in defenses and STAB for their moves) so their stats are worse. I'm not sure about abilities though, I figured I'd wait on those once I realized I wasn't sure if Kanite and Rockstarr were third evolutions.

Edit: I forgot to mention, cramming 5 types of moves into a moveset and trying to have more than one of all of them is HARD. I might take out some of the lower ones and shift things around, we'll see.

[Korbac]

Rockstarr...

Rock / Electricity...

OMG

[GlyphGryph]

Kanite and Rockstarr are very much 3rd level evolutions, and supposed to be superior to Rockweiler.

In my head:
Rockstarr gets a boost to speed and special attack, Kanite gets a boost to physical attack and physical defenses.

You've got a much better feel for how these things work than me, though.

[Bluerobin]

Cool it sounds like we were thinking along the same lines and having them be third tier will make them able to actually do that. Will edit this with new stats in about 5-10 minutes.

Edit:

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Kanite - Rock/Steel
HP 90
Attack 110
Defense 95
Special Attack 65
Special Defense 90
Speed 65
Total 515

Rockstarr - Rock/Electric
HP 75
Attack 85
Defense 75
Special Attack 115
Special Defense 70
Speed 95
Total 515

[Reudh]

I think the Hapup line are too slow, especially the evolved ones.

Venusaur, for example, has 80 base speed.
A hefty grass type outspeeding Rockstarr?

Golem, an extremely hefty rock type has 45 base speed.

The average base stats for fully evolved Rock types:

HP: 74
Attack: 96
Defense: 119
Sp. Atk: 66
Sp. Def: 86
Speed: 54

I think that Rockstarr needs a bit of a buff to its speed... maybe to 65.

[Darvi]

Adding those to the wiki, although it'd be nice to have movesets appropriate for 2nd-eveolution mons (as well as evolution conditions - Stones perhaps? I know there are thunder stones...)

E: They are rock types. They are know to be a bit lame.

Oh dear I appear  to have turned Kanite into K9...

[Bluerobin]

Reudh, see the new stats. It sounds like they're what you were looking for.

Darvi, the plan was to have stones required for the evos, I just didn't include them in the arrows because I wasn't sure about names. I think we have access to 6 stones, judging by the pulldown menu on YAPE, just so people know. I'm going to do a bit of work on the moveset, now that you mention it, to see if I can make it a bit more different for Kanite/Rockstarr.

[Darvi]

Hmmm. Maybe if we make the tin-dog evolution by trading with a magnet? No wait that's stupid.

[Furtuka]

Putting trade evolutions in a ROMhack are not a very good idea

[Reudh]

I'm gonna try and flesh out the base stats of Spawndorf and Leetspawn. Given they're early on, their stats shouldn't be too high, but I intend them to be Mighty Glacier sort of bayomon.

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Spawndorf - Dark/Normal

HP               45
Attack           65
Defense          40
Sp. Atk          65
Sp. Def          40
Speed            20

Leetspawn - Dark/Normal

HP              55
Attack          85
Defense         95
Sp. Atk         115
Sp. Def         95
Speed           30
I gave them weight towards Sp. Attack because in Gen III all dark moves were considered Special.
Also, Spawndorf's base stat total = 300. Middling for a two-stage bayomon. For reference, Houndour from Generation II has 330 base.
Leetspawn's base stat total =  470. High, but not as high as Kanite and Rockstarr.
A pseudo-legendary strength in the original game has ~600 base.