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antlion12

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Assassination?
« on: November 30, 2011, 11:48:19 pm »

So i was thinking about how to make sleeper agents more useful then i thought randomly Why not let them cause some problems in their assigned place? For example you have your leader in court and he is the only one left in the squad but you have a sleeper agent defending you you get the option of the usual selections but at the very bottom of the list is Assassinate judge. Selecting the last option results in the sleeper agent pulling out some weapon and shooting the judge allowing your leader to escape. This could also be a regular sleeper agent selection in certain areas with the effect of having say less police pressure temporarily as they try to figure out how the chief got assassinated. This could also be utilized by having your squad members going into an area and shooting the place up resulting in a headline stating " *insert random name here* has been assassinated!" What are your thoughts on this?     

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Re: Assassination?
« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2011, 12:40:11 am »

Ah, yes.

And the chance of success could be based upon mainly weapons and sneaky skills, more than likely.

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« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2011, 03:39:30 pm »

Sounds interesting.
Obviously, it should be quite risky.
But maybe at some locations the regular squad would also be capable of assassinating.
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« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2011, 04:36:23 pm »

This could also use the future anti tank weapon that I understand are planned I can see it now...

"Holy Sh*t! The Arch Conservative President Freddy Clinton has just been killed by a Member of the LCS with a RPG! In other news Elite Liberal El Jeffry has just been elected President!"
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« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2011, 05:48:27 pm »

if it can be worked in so that it happens then fires you in to normal play with the sleepers and charged a squad that have to escape the area.

but way not have it so sleeper take a  back ground role, i.e.
a cop can call for back up to slow down the swat team.
a prison guard can stop your prisoner from being beaten, so thay can runaway.
a cabdriver can have a brakedown and jam the roads slowing down the cops.

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Re: Assassination?
« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2011, 08:26:24 pm »

Assassination and Subterfuge sound quite good, still, coding takes time, and this might not come in, still, it's glorious.
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« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2011, 04:51:55 pm »

I also propose 2 new locations to take advantage of it the supreme court and presidents office because who does not want to influence public opinion by blowing the presidents fucking head off?

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« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2011, 08:34:46 pm »

I also propose 2 new locations to take advantage of it the supreme court and presidents office because who does not want to influence public opinion by blowing the presidents fucking head off?

Personally I think that blowing his fucking head off isn't such a good idea. Now, if it was his thinking head, then I'd be all for it. :P
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« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2011, 05:48:18 am »

It would have a high chance of backfiring. People tend to get pretty mad if someone kills a high-ranking politician, especially a president, because he's not just a politician but a symbol of the country itself. So if your sleeper pulled off an assassination, you would have to take into account not just whether it succeeded, but whether there would be a backlash of pro-conservative sentiment following the assassination. The chances of that should be increased the higher the politician's rank was, the less conservative the politician was, the more conservative public opinion was, and in the case of the President, the approval rating. You should have to get the approval rating very low--20% or lower--to avoid swinging public opinion back toward conservative. It would be a lot like the way you can "alienate the masses" or "alienate everyone" during infiltration.

Honestly, though, I don't think the game should allow you to actually assassinate the president. The extreme difficulty of that sort of thing makes it pretty unrealistic for a ragtag group like the LCS to pull off. Part of the charm of the game is that anybody really can get killed with a lucky bullet to the head, no matter how good they are at dodging; so at least some realism seems to be desirable. And since we've already got them handily fighting off police sieges and laughing at the National Guard, I'd think you wouldn't want to add any more over-the-top stuff. If there were assassinations, I think they ought to be limited to judges and Congress and things like that. Leave the President and the Supreme Court to the Elite Liberal Amendments. After all, by the time public opinion would accept an assassination, two-thirds of the states would be okay with kicking out the president and the supreme court, so there wouldn't be any need for one. Plus, think of the way the presidential succession goes if the President dies--you get the VP and then the secretary of state, both of which will usually match the president's politics.

I like the idea of being able to disrupt a trial by having a sleeper shoot the judge. That would be a great way to use sleepers who come from places that aren't useful to you, like the University District or Downtown or whatever. Taking out members of Congress should be possible as well (triggering an instant re-election if successful), but it should have the chance of causing backlash--making public opinion more conservative, reducing the public's opinion of the LCS, and possibly affecting issues like privacy or police regulation.
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« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2011, 06:23:04 am »

The LCS leader was the second gunman! It all makes sense now! :o
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« Reply #10 on: December 07, 2011, 10:08:13 pm »

I also propose 2 new locations to take advantage of it the supreme court and presidents office because who does not want to influence public opinion by blowing the presidents fucking head off?

Personally I think that blowing his fucking head off isn't such a good idea. Now, if it was his thinking head, then I'd be all for it. :P

The main drawcard of DF was being able to bludgeon people with their own removed phalluses (with mods of course, can't make Toady the root of ALL evil). Although it should probably be considered that shooting the president would cause a national shit storm. If anything I'd imagine shooting a conservative president would just make a martyr of him.
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« Reply #11 on: December 09, 2011, 12:13:27 am »

Exactly; it'd backfire. The only situation in which I could see it happening would be a very unpopular arch-conservative president in a country with an elite liberal population... in which case, you're just an election away from elite liberal amendments anyway, so it wouldn't even be a useful game mechanic.
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« Reply #12 on: December 09, 2011, 06:33:39 am »

Exactly; it'd backfire. The only situation in which I could see it happening would be a very unpopular arch-conservative president in a country with an elite liberal population... in which case, you're just an election away from elite liberal amendments anyway, so it wouldn't even be a useful game mechanic.
Well sometimes you don't want to wait 4 years.
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« Reply #13 on: December 09, 2011, 07:22:23 pm »

Exactly; it'd backfire. The only situation in which I could see it happening would be a very unpopular arch-conservative president in a country with an elite liberal population... in which case, you're just an election away from elite liberal amendments anyway, so it wouldn't even be a useful game mechanic.
Well sometimes you don't want to wait 4 years.

Then impeach the Prez.  If you got that kind of political backing, it should work.

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« Reply #14 on: December 10, 2011, 05:42:26 pm »

If you can get two thirds of the sentate and house to back you then you don't need to impeach the president.

Also this can be useful if there was a way to start a civil war if things get too conservative like two laws away from a Arch-Conservative nation.
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