They're just wasting each other's time. Assuming that at least one of them isn't scum, that's time (t)he(y) could be spending doing something useful instead of just going around in circles. I was under the impression that it's pro-town to not want to see people wasting time by doing jack shit.
Then you should get rid of whatever impressions about the game you have so that I can fill them in with actual gameplay knowledge because the crap you have right now isn't cutting it.
It's not your job to care if people are scumhunting productively, so don't. Further, it's pro-town to hunt for scum and that's the only thing that's pro-town. Trying to look pro-town doing anything else is a scum tell, which I'll note you've committed here by trying to stop Mormota's and Andrew425's argument.
Really? You've been putting pressure on him?
News to me. Mayhaps you'd like to explain just exactly how he's not reacting well to your 'pressure' because I don't see it and I don't buy it.
Sorry, Jim. I'm not going to go read everything for you. That's your job, not mine. Well, mine too, but I've already done it for myself.
So you don't have jack shit then, else you could present it for me.
You see, this is why you're not town, because somebody who was town would want to present their case to people to try and convince them to come to their point of view. This is how the day game works. People make arguments on other players. Other players might ask about those arguments. The arguments are clarified. If the arguments are good, then the other players will agree and vote with you.
Is your argument good? Well, if you're not willing to present it to people when they ask, how will they know? Unless that's what you're counting on.
Stating somebody is likely to get lynched isn't scumhunting. Good job with the speech though, but since it doesn't actually answer anything in specific that I brought up against you it's completely pointless and empty.
By telling him that he's probably going to be lynched, pressure is increased and it also makes me seem more confident, which increases pressure even further. But now you've gone and ruined that by making me say it, so good job, Jim.
But pressure is used to get something out of somebody. What are you trying to get out of Andrew425?
Oh, right, you said 'Fuck you' to me asking. Never mind, then.
Jkjkjk answer the question, smartass.
Why did you answer this question from Mormota directed at Nilum?
Quit trying to cover for your scumbuddy, scum.
Sorry, I was under the impression that you had already made up your own answer for me. Which you did. But to humor you, I answered that question from Mormota directed at Nilum because it was a question that I could answer while also throwing in a bit of my own opinion.
1) Don't answer questions not directed at you.
2) You can state your opinion without using somebody else's post to segue into it. This helps you avoid 1).
Mormota: At this point I'm thinking that either you or Andrew are scum. You are scum hunting quite well, and Andrew is seeming to be an active lurker.
You are completely at odds with yourself if you say you suspect Mormota and you say he's scumhunting quite well, because scumhunting is not a suspicious action.
And Andrew425's been posting frequently enough and well enough that he can't really be called an active lurker.
Jim: Thanks for the help. My suspicions are mainly on Andrew. The reason why I haven't made a case yet? Because of Mormota prodding. I wanted to make sure of the validity of his answers and making sure HES not scum, as that will just backfire on me.
But, you see, you could be asking them both questions if that's what you were worried about.
Don't let a silly thing like imagined obstacles get in the way of you finding out who is and isn't scum.
Andrew: It's time to hang, scum. Why is it you have been showing us all lies from the very start?
This question is loaded bullshit. You are not going to get anything out of it. You might look 'tough' but looking tough is not an acceptable contribution.
Make your case on your suspects, and try voting them, else you are lying, cowardly scum.
You still haven't answered this:
Jim: I want to know everyone's favorite roles to play, as it may have a chance to actually be the role they have, as was proven with Shark last BM.
How does this help you find scum?
'Randomly' is a pretty poor metric to choose your target, as a doctor. Why not go for someone who you think is going to be nightkilled? If a cop "appears" (I assume by claiming...) you say you'd protect them, but what if that cop was really scum falseclaiming? You've informed everyone of your plan, and if the mafia decide to no-kill (and you protect the one who's false-claiming cop), you'll assume you've got a confirmed town player! Who's also a cop! What luck!! Practically invulnerable, too!!!
This is a poorly thought-out answer. Worse, as you've got experience, one of the novice players might decide to follow your 'plan' (I hesitate to call it that). You could destroy all hopes of town winning. For the sake of all of us, please don't spread horrible, horrible advice. It's in your best interests to avoid spreading it, too, unless you're scum.
This is WIFOM. It's not even good WIFOM. It's utterly ridiculous WIFOM.
What are you trying to get at, and how does your extremely creative interpretation and implications based on Andrew425's answer make him scum in any way whatsoever?
You can't make up shit to justify your arguments.
I didn't consider it WIFOM so much as optimal play. Here's another scenario: let's assume for a moment you're scum. Mafia. Andrew has flat-out said that he will protect the cop if one "appears". It's day 2, and there are 7 players left alive -- 2 scum, 5 town. This is the earliest any cop would claim. Tomorrow will be Lylo if no one is protected and town mislynches again. If a cop claims, and declares he's found scum, it would be in your best interests to leave him alive -- killing him would damn either you or your scumbuddy. As a doctor, protecting the cop would be poor play.
Once a cop has laid out his allegations, it's better he be killed (ideally nightkilled, rather than wasting a lynch) so his allegations can be confirmed. Andrew was saying he would actively work to prevent this from happening. I would rather have a dead cop and a confirmed scum than ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. Even a dead cop and confirmed town is better than the alternative: NOTHING. Who are the only people who want to deprive the town of information? Scum.
Optimal play?
Optimal play???
OPTIMAL PLAY??????Your scenarios are completely ridiculous speculation and it's not realistic to expect that either of them will come true. Instead of thinking up wild scenarios, you should stick with the facts: what people have said and done so far. Don't lose your head in speculation.
My point was this: It's not reasonable to string up Andrew425 because he somehow damages the town in a totally fantastical scenario you just made up on the spot. I can come up with one right now where you're screwing everyone over, but what relevance would it have to whether or not you're actually scum? Zero. None at all.
The question becomes: why are you holding this as a reason to suspect Andrew425 when you have no business doing that?
Also, if you suspect him, vote for him. Why aren't you, Mr. Scummy Scum Nilum?
We have 2 (real) days to go until the day is over. Right now, I'm more concerned with getting lurkers (like Halmie) out here than jumping on the Andrew bandwagon in an effort to do what, exactly? He's scum. He's going to slip under pressure, and placing him at the top of my list achieves everything a vote would, while freeing my vote to actually influence other players.
So, Halmie. Get out here, and tell me: who's scum. Why are they scum, and who's their likely scum partner?
There's what you think you should be doing and then there's what the IC is telling you what to do. Until these two things are the same, you should do the latter.
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