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War in the Pacific - Let's lose together: Guadalcanal
« on: November 22, 2011, 07:04:21 pm »

Hello gents,

I got my grubby little pirate hands on War in the Pacific - Admiral's Edition and I've been trying to learn it. I've only gone for smaller scenarios (Battle of the Coral Sea and a couple of attempts at Guadalcanal) in order to get a grip on the technical aspects of the game. I have learnt one thing:

I cannot handle the pressures of being a combat leader alone so...



Since there's so much detail to the game, I'll handle most of the low level technical stuff. What I want to decide with you guys is stuff like:
- Broad strategy: what are our mid- and long-term goals?
- Doctrine: how do we react to situations and short-term goals, e.g. how do we organise amphibious invasions, naval attacks, use carriers in general, refuel and resupply ships and bases, react to enemy sightings of air task forces (TF), surface combat TFs, transport TFs and so forth.

First, let me brief you on the Guadalcanal campaign:



The American's main foothold here is on Noumea. That's where most of our stuff is located. There is a base on Efate that has a squadron of Catalinas (long-range recon float-plane), and another base on Espiritu Santo, called Luganville. This one is closer to the action, and may also support some air squadrons. Luganville currently holds our amphibious invasion fleet and supporting surface combat TF's.



This is our invasion fleet. Two amphibious assault task forces, plus some surface combat fleets.



This is our target. This is Guadalcanal. The japs are building an airfield there that they can use to sever communications to Australia. We must not let this happen. Guadalcanal is located in the Solomon islands, all occupied by the Japanese, but High Command only wants that airfield at this time. We know there are enemy carriers and battleships somewhere in the area, though not in the immediate vicinity. We can expect they will show up not long after the invasion. The smaller amphibious force is going to land on the Tulagi, the rest at Guadalcanal. The accompanying TF's will establish themselves in both hexes and provide invasion bombardment and AA support. We estimate the landings and initial occupation to be problem-free (by which I mean it's no sweat in my previous attempts).

Further to the east is our carrier task group. It consists of three Task Forces, each with a carrier: the Wasp, Enterprise and Saratoga. The Enterprise is travelling with the North Carolina battleship, slowing the TF from 32 knots to 28. The Wasp is slower, at 29 knots. Saratoga's TF can go a mighty 32 knots. Right now, their orders (down from HC) are to settle somewhat to the east of the target and support the invasion. All of them are relatively low on fuel.

For all practical purposes, each carrier contains an air group with the following components: VF, an F4F Wildcat fighter group used for CAP and escort, VS, an SBD Dauntless scout squadron, VB, an SBD Dauntless bomber squadron and VT, a TBF Avenger torpedo squadron. VF's have 30+ planes, VS/VB's have 15-20 and VT's 9-15. There is no practical difference between VS and VB, but for the sake of the name, one can do scouting while the other is used offensively only. Furthermore, some cruisers (CA) carry floatplanes that can also be used for recon.



Their default orders are above. The VS squadrons have Naval Strike as a primary mission (i.e. they will attack ships if they see them), with Airfield attack as a secondary mission (i.e. if no naval targets are present, the commander will choose an airfield and attack it). I want to revise this, since they might hit the airfields that we are trying to take.



Another vital component of the Allies in this campaign is Port Moresby, next to Buna, between which our land forces are engaged with japanese. They currently hold the upper hand, but not high enough that they can roll us over. Port Moresby has good enough installations for some air units. Currently stationed there are:



And on the ground:



We may want to move some of these to support the ground troops currently engaged. Southeast of Port Moresby is Milne Bay, sporting a small airfield and some naval installations. It is strategically placed to cover the Solomon Sea, that we know the Japs use for transport and will possibly use for counter-attack.



Overall, we have the following other forces in "reserve":
- Submarines under computer control scattered around.
- At Noumea we have two Catalina squadrons, two Wildcat units, and 4 B-17 units.
- Luganville and Efate have a Catalina squadron each, plus one Wildcat squadron.
- In Australia we have loads of B-17s, B-26s and P-39's.
- There are plenty of transport ships at Noumea, plus a single oiler capable refuelling at sea.
- After a few days, we should be able to free some aviation support units from their restricted HQ's. Eventually, we may want to move them to Guadalcanal to support air units we station there (otherwise all planes flying from there will be out of commission/in need of repairs they can't get).
- After a few weeks, we should be able to free a strong infantry unit from somewhere in Australia and move them closer to the frontlines.
- A few weeks in, we'll get Escort Carrier (CVE) Long Island, capable of hosting 16 planes. We will also get two more SBD squadrons, and a bunch of transports, destroyers (DD) and possibly some cruisers and light cruisers (CA, CL). I only know this happens because I've played a few weeks in - not sure how to check it otherwise.




So this is our situation. The most important issues right now are:
- Do we want to attack any airfields or ports near Guadalcanal and Tulagi with our carriers? We might hit something we will be owning soon...
- Carriers will need refuelling soon. How do we want to do that, now and in the future? An underway refuelling TF will take some days to set up and load fuel, and we don't have many ships capable of doing it. Alternatively, we can just move the carriers all the way back to Noumea.
- How will we prepare for the counter-attack? It may include carriers and battleships, so the heavy stuff. Not sure whether they will buff up north Guadalcanal.
- Troops will be tired and in low morale after invasion of Guadalcanal. Do we want to have them start moving north immediately to try to take all of the island ASAP? North Guadalcanal doesn't have any particularly interesting facilities.
- What about the Port Moresby area? Ground troops engaged, some fighters and bombers, and some other units AT Port Moresby. How do we use them?
- Do we want to make Milne Bay into something more than it is right now (just host to some Kittyhawks)?


I await your input! :)
« Last Edit: November 22, 2011, 07:58:28 pm by Anvilfolk »
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Re: War in the Pacific - Let's lose together: Guadalcanal
« Reply #1 on: November 22, 2011, 07:10:48 pm »

Another WW2 thingy? Count me in!

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Re: War in the Pacific - Let's lose together: Guadalcanal
« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2011, 07:34:18 pm »

Oh cool! If you want a pbem opponent, i'll doit :D I havent played this for ages but I know the basics.
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Re: War in the Pacific - Let's lose together: Guadalcanal
« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2011, 07:59:58 pm »

Alrighty, updated the first post. Sorry for the misclick!

As I am just learning the game right now and still a newbie to many technical aspects of it, I thought I would use this to learn from the pros and not feel terribad when one of our carriers gets sunk. Definitely not looking for anything competitive, just cooperative! I would be too easy an opponent!

Reaaaaally looking forward to hearing from you and getting this thing going!

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Re: War in the Pacific - Let's lose together: Guadalcanal
« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2011, 08:04:50 pm »

No problem, I demand a submarine be renamed to SS-Deadmeat :D and send me near Guadalcanal to hunt enemy ships :D

One tip I think, send fighters only to Guadalcanal once landings have taken it, dont send too many - it will overload the airfield and they wont be able to refit/repair damaged planes.

I'm crap at the game too, i'd be probably even less challenge XD
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Re: War in the Pacific - Let's lose together: Guadalcanal
« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2011, 08:47:08 pm »

Don't know how to rename ships themselves, but SS-44 is now in Task Force SS-Deadmeat. You're just west of the Shortlands! :)

I'll wait until tomorrow evening or so to let people come up with some plan to prepare everything, then I'll run it until we invade and/or anything big happens. If we have mid- and long-term plans stuff should pretty much go on autopilot for an in-game week or two.

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Re: War in the Pacific - Let's lose together: Guadalcanal
« Reply #6 on: November 23, 2011, 04:43:32 am »

Don't know how to rename ships themselves, but SS-44 is now in Task Force SS-Deadmeat. You're just west of the Shortlands! :)

I'll wait until tomorrow evening or so to let people come up with some plan to prepare everything, then I'll run it until we invade and/or anything big happens. If we have mid- and long-term plans stuff should pretty much go on autopilot for an in-game week or two.

You CAN rename some ships... You know those new Essex carriers, Lexington II, Hornet II, Wasp II and Yorktown II? In game, the player might not lose those CVs so as a nice detail the game lets the player choose whatever names he or she wants for them before they are finished. In grand campaign, open the "ship availability" screen from the intel menu, find those ships, click, and then in the ship screen, click on the name(should be on yellow, all other ships have the name on white). I'm not 100% sure but Yorktown II should begin as Bon Homme Richards but it should be changeable.  ;)
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Re: War in the Pacific - Let's lose together: Guadalcanal
« Reply #7 on: November 23, 2011, 09:17:42 am »

Don't know how to rename ships themselves, but SS-44 is now in Task Force SS-Deadmeat. You're just west of the Shortlands! :)

I'll wait until tomorrow evening or so to let people come up with some plan to prepare everything, then I'll run it until we invade and/or anything big happens. If we have mid- and long-term plans stuff should pretty much go on autopilot for an in-game week or two.

Sounds good :D I'll hunt for teh Jap supply transports to Guadalcanal.
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Re: War in the Pacific - Let's lose together: Guadalcanal
« Reply #8 on: November 23, 2011, 07:19:30 pm »

I'd like to get a few turns going tonight, but I'd really like input from you guys :)

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Re: War in the Pacific - Let's lose together: Guadalcanal
« Reply #9 on: November 23, 2011, 07:33:25 pm »

I'd like to get a few turns going tonight, but I'd really like input from you guys :)

You cant go wrong really, the initial invasion is preplanned, is it not?
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Re: War in the Pacific - Let's lose together: Guadalcanal
« Reply #10 on: November 23, 2011, 07:47:52 pm »

Yeah, but is it worth having the carriers support it? Should they try to refuel immediately, and flank north towards Rabaul? Should they go into the Solomon sea? Attack nearby troops?

We probably want to start moving rear troops as well - but to where? Catalinas to Milne Bay? Is it worth sending B-17s to Port Moresby? It has a limited amount of aviation support. We also have some F4F squadrons that need to be moved closer before being able to get to Guadalcanal, if I'm not mistaken. So many decisions!

Most of all though... do we want to push further than Guadalcanal, or just take it and hold it?

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« Reply #11 on: November 23, 2011, 07:51:54 pm »

Yeah, but is it worth having the carriers support it? Should they try to refuel immediately, and flank north towards Rabaul? Should they go into the Solomon sea? Attack nearby troops?

We probably want to start moving rear troops as well - but to where? Catalinas to Milne Bay? Is it worth sending B-17s to Port Moresby? It has a limited amount of aviation support. We also have some F4F squadrons that need to be moved closer before being able to get to Guadalcanal, if I'm not mistaken. So many decisions!

Most of all though... do we want to push further than Guadalcanal, or just take it and hold it?

Yes, very much so. Not only will they cover the invasion fleet from enemy air attacks and naval, they will scout the area. As for the other stuff I'm not sure really.
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Re: War in the Pacific - Let's lose together: Guadalcanal
« Reply #12 on: November 23, 2011, 11:45:14 pm »

Our troops have landed (mostly!). Some supplies and a couple of men are left.



Before the invasion, the carriers' air groups dropped a bazillion tons of bombs on enemy troops at Guadalcanal with little effect. I stopped that in a jiffy. No naval attacks so far.

I moved a Catalina squadron from Noumea up to Milne Bay, and it's now keeping an eye on the Solomon Sea. B-17's are pounding Lae's airfield with some effectiveness and no losses so far. They are escorted by P-39 when weather permits. We've already lost a couple of P-39 since they are no match for the Zero. I have made them go at 13-15k to give them extra advantage (that's also where the B-17's are going in at).

I have also transfered the two Wildcat squadrons at Noumea to Luganville, in the hopes of stationing them at Guadalcanal once it's ours.

I created a replenishment task force that is currently loading up fuel at Noumea. A transport TF has been created at Brisbane, has loaded up 3500 supplies and is en-route to Guadalcanal. We should have taken it by the time it gets there.

I created an anti-sub TF of 4 short-range vessels, under computer control.

Oh, also, midget submarines around Tulagi... they've done no damage so far, and one of them has reportedly been sunk!

Deadmeat (under computer control) ashamedly left his post and is heading home. Not sure why. Shall I put you right back in?

Most importantly, our carrier task force is currently focusing some scouting west to north, with two VB squadrons scouting all around. That was a good call, since they apparently spotted 10 ships at the marked location. Shall we remove all search focus (i.e. scout all around randomly) and move towards them to engage? No idea what ships those are so far, but it seems too soon for them to be carriers or battleships.

Secondly most importantly (?), our ground troops are mostly unloaded! We outnumber the enemies! We can try Shock Attack to take them as quickly as possible. That should give us control of both bases in two to three days. We can also prolong the japanese suffering by making only deliberate attacks, or deliberate at first to reduce fort level, then charge right in.

And after we take it, do we give them some rest, or move them up Guadalcanal?

And after we refuel the carrier task force, shall we have it go pound Rabaul's airfields, or shall we wait until we know they have air units there?

Let me know! :)
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Re: War in the Pacific - Let's lose together: Guadalcanal
« Reply #13 on: November 24, 2011, 12:53:30 pm »

I say take the Jap bases as soon as poossiable we do not need to risk our men to a counterattack and go bomb those ships we found don't want to risk too many of our ships.
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Re: War in the Pacific - Let's lose together: Guadalcanal
« Reply #14 on: November 25, 2011, 12:18:35 am »

August 10, 1942
Enemy midget submarines take a pounding off Tulagi - two of them are reported heavily damaged!

The Allies take Lunga by shock attack! 3141 enemy casualties to 189, and the remaining enemy is retreating northwards. Nothing beats marine brawn! They are having a well-earned rest to reorganise and get back on their feet.

At Tulagi the marines reduce enemy fortifications to 0 and kills 583 for the loss of 28 - still not ours, but the japs have nowhere to flee. Another one or two days and it should be ours!

The B-17 crews were getting low on morale. Let them rest for a couple of days. Perhaps the japs will bring some more planes for us to crush!

The fleet moved towards the spotted ships, with more scouting being done than ever and fighter CAP increased to 50% across the board. Ships get spotted a mere 40 miles to the west, but no naval attack is forthcoming. Sometimes I wonder if those VS pilots are just pulling my leg!

The transport ships start backs towards Luganville to bring a fairly hefty support unit with both Naval and Aviation components. Let's start buffing up Lunga!

August 11, 1942

DD Yayoi and E Asanagi engage our fleet near Lunga during the night, scoring one shell hit each on the CAs Astoria, Quincy and Vincennes. Damn it! We barely fired back. Keep a sharper lookout, men! We can't be surprised like that!

In the early morning, this task force of TWO destroyers engages and heavily damages our supply convoy to Lunga. We get one shell hit on both Yayoi and Asanagi, and they get... 3 on DD Arunta, setting it on fire, 9 on xAP Maori (heavy fires, heavy damage) and 5 on xAP Manunda, setting it on fire. This is a setback (especially for the poor marines on Lunga!), but nothing too serious. Maori goes under the waves in the early morning. Arunta heads back for repairs, but the remaining destroyer and (wounded) transport are told to finish their trip. A force of 3 cruisers, 1 light cruiser and 4 destroyers is detached to escort them to Lunga. Hopefully they will catch those pesky raiders!

We take heavier losses at Tulagi, 537 to 107, but the fortifications are now 0. Maybe another day?

We spot ship movement going east from Rabaul and Kavieng. At least 4 xAKs... what are they up to?

**** STAFF MEETING *****

This is the current situation:




There's an awful lot of movement up there near Rabaul, and I'm getting worried that they are preparing a counter-attack.  We should have our carrier task force refuelled ASAP, but the oilers back at Noumea can still take on quite a bit more fuel. Plus, with those raiders around, I'm afraid to lose them! Then the carriers need to go all the way back to Noumea... what do we do? Do I get the oilers on their way, with whatever armed escort I can scrounge from Noumea?

Right now the marines on Guadalcanal (base is named Lunga) are resting. We can have them move northwards right now, although they are disorganised. They should take about a week, a week and a half to get there. Perhaps we have them rest a bit first? Perhaps we just reinforce Lunga, move in the support unit and then the fighters? We should start getting air attacks by Betties from Rabaul and Kavieng pretty soon...

Do we want to move the carriers to take out the raiders? They'll be closer to the oilers. Should we keep up aggressive 50% CAP? The VF's are getting somewhat tired. I think the enemy task forces we saw split and headed for Lunga. We supposedly spotted ships there, but noone has engaged so far!



Remember, I really, REALLY want your input. I want to divide the blame when we lose miserably :) What do we do with the carriers - that's the main question. How to fuel them and what their mission is. They can move closer to Guadalcanal and provide support, they can go into the Solomon or Coral Seas to protect Port Moresby, aggressively push forward to take out shipping, or flank northward without being seen to perhaps launch a strike on Noumea. I don't think they currently have enough fuel autonomy for this though.

Let me know! :)
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