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[NUKE9.13]

Orange:
-If I didn't mention it to the town I'd be lying. What can I say, I am an honest person.
-I claimed as that the scum wouldn't try to kill me at night, and to a certain extent, wouldn't try to lynch me during the day. I just want to be left alive.
-There is no such thing as a pro-town or pro-scum survivor. There are only survivors, who are pro-town or pro-scum depending on the state of the game.

Popping in to point out to NUKE that I brought up that theory earlier.

Okay, yes, I'm sure it was brought up. But that was a while back, and to me at least the steady countdown of the DEFCON led me to forget about other theories. However for MBP the thought is so in the forefront of his mind that when referring to an alternate theory he does not feel the need to clarify that it is the scum-left-countdown theory he means- he assumes that everyone is thinking about this theory. Because he is thinking about it, because he is DEFCON-guy.

Jim:
Enough Obvscum: Well, Dariush, for one. Completely ignoring the results of yesterday's lynch, wherein he blindly tunnelled me, yet the other target turned out to be scum. Now, I am not saying that ECF being scum makes me guaranteed non-scum. But it should certainly lead one to reconsider ones reasons for voting me. Dariush showed no interest in doing so. Clearly, his only motive is to kill me for personal reasons. I suspect that he mad on account of how his scumbuddy was lynched instead of me yesterday, and I prevented him and his buddies from killing me last night. All very infuriating. I also suspect Ottofar (and to a degree everyone voting for me yesterday), but I'd like to see Dariush dead first.

Unprompted: My username is NUKE9.13. I thought some people might think I was a moron like ECF, and would send in a picture which blatantly tied to my online persona. The culmination of a DEFCON countdown is nuclear war. It would be a logical step to suspect that I had sent in a picture of a nuke, which I would detonate once we reached DEFCON 1.
This is not a stretch, as evidenced by OBs response. By clarifying this free of charge I was giving people information without them having to try to wrap up the question 'are you DEFCON-guy' in such a way as that it wouldn't look like rolefishing. What can I say, I'm a charitable person.

Argument my way out of this: Ok, sure. Things which make it unlikely I am scum:
-A neck-to-neck struggle between me and ECF (scum). Whilst it is possible that both participants in such a struggle are scum, it is highly unlikely.
-I prevented all NKs. If I was a member of the scumteam, doing this would be stupid.
-As scum, I would have no real reason to fakeclaim survivor. Old school shenanigans are fun, but not to such a degree that I would do them for no reason. Refuge in audacity? Really? You would pull this argument against me? Audacity offers me no refuge, Jim. Audacity is my usual abode. If I wanted refuge, I would sooner find it in sanity than audacity.
-I have been attracting attention for the entire game. Yet the only things people have against me is shaky WIFOM and some crap about No-Lynching being something only scum would propose (However that works). If I was scum, it seems that something more substantial than that would've come up by now.

[ECrownofFire]

I thought some people might think I was a moron like ECF, and would send in a picture which blatantly tied to my online persona.

Fuck you.

(I'll be shutting up now, consider this an extra bah)

[Urist_McArathos]

Crazy weekend, posting tonight.

[Orangebottle]

Orange:
-If I didn't mention it to the town I'd be lying. What can I say, I am an honest person.
-I claimed as that the scum wouldn't try to kill me at night, and to a certain extent, wouldn't try to lynch me during the day. I just want to be left alive.
-There is no such thing as a pro-town or pro-scum survivor. There are only survivors, who are pro-town or pro-scum depending on the state of the game.

-Not unless you were directly asked about it. Were you?
-So you didn't factor in the town possibly lynching you at all?
-Yes there is. It's in the way they play, and who they're aiming to win with. Right now you look like you aim to win with the scum.

Unprompted: My username is NUKE9.13. I thought some people might think I was a moron like ECF, and would send in a picture which blatantly tied to my online persona. The culmination of a DEFCON countdown is nuclear war. It would be a logical step to suspect that I had sent in a picture of a nuke, which I would detonate once we reached DEFCON 1.
This is not a stretch, as evidenced by OBs response. By clarifying this free of charge I was giving people information without them having to try to wrap up the question 'are you DEFCON-guy' in such a way as that it wouldn't look like rolefishing. What can I say, I'm a charitable person.

Or maybe that's what you want us to think.

-A neck-to-neck struggle between me and ECF (scum). Whilst it is possible that both participants in such a struggle are scum, it is highly unlikely.

No it isn't. You've heard of distancing and bussing, right NUKE?

-I prevented all NKs. If I was a member of the scumteam, doing this would be stupid.

Invalidated in that you could just go,"Hey guys, let's just not kill anyone tonight and I'll claim having a one-shot that stops NKs to look more town!" in scumchat.

-As scum, I would have no real reason to fakeclaim survivor. Old school shenanigans are fun, but not to such a degree that I would do them for no reason. Refuge in audacity? Really? You would pull this argument against me? Audacity offers me no refuge, Jim. Audacity is my usual abode. If I wanted refuge, I would sooner find it in sanity than audacity.

Maybe you want us to think you're a survivor? That'd be a pretty good reason.

[Jack A T]

Meant i beleived that Defcon was a countdown to miller(watcher) power, and not a scum alive yet countdown. It's not so complicated.

...
Millers are people who are town, but flip scum when investigated.
Watchers are people who can figure out who targeted their target.
I fail to see how this is related at all.

Orangebottle: Here's the Webadict guide to alignments.  Watchers (the alignment, not the power role) have to keep the game going up to a specific day.  For example, in BYOR 7, Toaster was a Watcher.  There.

and it also relies on you not saying shit like,"I'd vote in favor of the scum at LYLO" .

...Do you have any idea how a survivor works?  At all?

It'd be true if you were a pro-town survivor, but you've admitted to being a pro-scum survivor. On the off-chance that this game goes to LYLO and you make it there, you'd cause a town loss.

...Okay, you don't have much of an idea.

Basically, survivors need to be alive at the end of the game to win.  This can be with any faction.  If a survivor makes it to a LYLO with more than 3 players, the survivor will side with scum.  This is because the survivor actually wants to win.  Even if said survivor would prefer it if town won, the survivor would go for the win.  Winning with the town is a good strategy if the survivor feels that town has a good chance of victory, but even with that, the survivor will still side with scum at LYLO.  Why?  Survivor wins that way.  Trying to paint NUKE as evil for admitting that is stupid.  And this is from someone who doesn't hugely trust NUKE's claim.

Argument my way out of this: Ok, sure. Things which make it unlikely I am scum:
-A neck-to-neck struggle between me and ECF (scum). Whilst it is possible that both participants in such a struggle are scum, it is highly unlikely.
-I prevented all NKs. If I was a member of the scumteam, doing this would be stupid.
-As scum, I would have no real reason to fakeclaim survivor. Old school shenanigans are fun, but not to such a degree that I would do them for no reason. Refuge in audacity? Really? You would pull this argument against me? Audacity offers me no refuge, Jim. Audacity is my usual abode. If I wanted refuge, I would sooner find it in sanity than audacity.
-I have been attracting attention for the entire game. Yet the only things people have against me is shaky WIFOM and some crap about No-Lynching being something only scum would propose (However that works). If I was scum, it seems that something more substantial than that would've come up by now.

NUKE: So, basically, "We wouldn't bus each other like that as scum", "I wouldn't stop NKs as scum", "I wouldn't fakeclaim survivor as scum", and "If I was scum, people would have more evidence!".  I'm not exactly impressed with the wine here.  Do you have anything more solid, or any better explanations of your current points?

Dariush, I would love to see some actual responses.

[Jack A T]

...Wait, I haven't asked Dariush any questions recently.  Dariush: Why did you not give clear responses to those questions I mentioned a while ago?  Is there something inherently wrong with wanting to know more of your suspects?  Would you have given a solid response to OB's questions if someone who you didn't find scummy asked them?

[Orangebottle]

Orangebottle: Here's the Webadict guide to alignments.  Watchers (the alignment, not the power role) have to keep the game going up to a specific day.  For example, in BYOR 7, Toaster was a Watcher.  There.

Thanks for that.

Informative stuff

...And that. I know what a survivor's goal is. Exactly what it says on the tin.
I still don't want to keep him around if we get close to LYLO.

[Jim Groovester]

Unprompted: My username is NUKE9.13. I thought some people might think I was a moron like ECF, and would send in a picture which blatantly tied to my online persona. The culmination of a DEFCON countdown is nuclear war. It would be a logical step to suspect that I had sent in a picture of a nuke, which I would detonate once we reached DEFCON 1.
This is not a stretch, as evidenced by OBs response. By clarifying this free of charge I was giving people information without them having to try to wrap up the question 'are you DEFCON-guy' in such a way as that it wouldn't look like rolefishing. What can I say, I'm a charitable person.

But, why care about that?

I'm still not seeing this as a superior course of action to just waiting to answer any questions that come your way.

Argument my way out of this: Ok, sure. Things which make it unlikely I am scum:
-A neck-to-neck struggle between me and ECF (scum). Whilst it is possible that both participants in such a struggle are scum, it is highly unlikely.
-I prevented all NKs. If I was a member of the scumteam, doing this would be stupid.
-As scum, I would have no real reason to fakeclaim survivor. Old school shenanigans are fun, but not to such a degree that I would do them for no reason. Refuge in audacity? Really? You would pull this argument against me? Audacity offers me no refuge, Jim. Audacity is my usual abode. If I wanted refuge, I would sooner find it in sanity than audacity.
-I have been attracting attention for the entire game. Yet the only things people have against me is shaky WIFOM and some crap about No-Lynching being something only scum would propose (However that works). If I was scum, it seems that something more substantial than that would've come up by now.

Welp, you've argued your way out of this one. WIFOM like that is irrefutable.

I'm going to change my vote RIGHT NOW.

[Urist_McArathos]

I'm thinking Dariush is the scum.  His entire case against NUKE (summarized here) is that NUKE lurked through Day 1 and is being an ass.  I disagree that NUKE's plan to no-lynch was scummy, I just think it was shitty, but I know I'm in the minority so I can't fault that part of his case.

NUKE spent pretty much all of Day 1 defending himself, which I'm not sure fits the definition of Activelurking.  Also, despite getting into a huge, HUGE tunnel with OB, he never ONCE voted him despite constantly pointing out OB's chainsaw defense and buddying.  Of course, Webadict buddying NUKE was proof to him that NUKE was scum (major WIFOM), but OB defending a scum player and buddying isn't?  It's not enough to vote him, even now?

He even stated he's voting him for the same reasons as yesterday, which (again) are crap and WIFOM.  Dariush is just interested in seeing NUKE swing, and not even for his claim but some WIFOM crap that would leave Webadict laughing to death at how well it worked.

[Dariush]

I'm thinking Dariush is the scum.  His entire case against NUKE (summarized here) is that NUKE lurked through Day 1 and is being an ass.

Yep, that's about right. That is, if you're blind, stupid, haven't seen the game and Nuke's behavior since D1 at all or any combination of the above.

Dariush: Why did you not give clear responses to those questions I mentioned a while ago?  Is there something inherently wrong with wanting to know more of your suspects?

Because OB's questions were a painfully obvious attempt to distract me.

Would you have given a solid response to OB's questions if someone who you didn't find scummy asked them?

Yes. Demanding my five top suspects when I'm (active)lurking is a good idea. Demanding my five top suspects when I'm in the middle of argument with the demander is outrageously scummy.

[NUKE9.13]

-Yes there is. It's in the way they play, and who they're aiming to win with. Right now you look like you aim to win with the scum.

Dude, what. No. Don't be stupid. I want to win with the town. Scum is screwed.
Where did I give you the impression I aim to win with the scum?

The other stuff: No, I have not factored being lynched by town.
Ottofar directly accused me of potentially doing it. I agreed with him.

Or maybe that's what you want us to think.

Look, buddy, you want to go around WIFOMing yourself, that's your problem.
 

No it isn't. You've heard of distancing and bussing, right NUKE?

Nope, never heard of them. I'm new to this game, don't you know.
Yes, I no its possible. I never denied this. However, such massive, unprompted bussing/distancing is entirely ridiculous. It's possible, yes- but so is a lot of stuff. Its just unlikely.

Invalidated in that you could just go,"Hey guys, let's just not kill anyone tonight and I'll claim having a one-shot that stops NKs to look more town!" in scumchat.

...Yes, that is POSSIBLE. So is Dariush being an alt account of mine. But just because it is POSSIBLE doesn't INVALIDATE the argument.

Maybe you want us to think you're a survivor? That'd be a pretty good reason.

The fuck are you doing, OB. This doesn't mean anything.
Fakeclaiming survivor is not useful. For one thing, when the game starts going the scum's way, you're going to get lynched anyway. For another, unprompted fakeclaims are just risky- role cops or whatever could peg you as a liar, and then what.

NUKE: So, basically, "We wouldn't bus each other like that as scum", "I wouldn't stop NKs as scum", "I wouldn't fakeclaim survivor as scum", and "If I was scum, people would have more evidence!".  I'm not exactly impressed with the wine here.  Do you have anything more solid, or any better explanations of your current points?

See below.

But, why care about that? I'm still not seeing this as a superior course of action to just waiting to answer any questions that come your way.

Because I am a helpful person, Jim. I like to save people time. I am all for the sharing of information, to the extent of self-sabotage. It's just the kind of person I am.

Welp, you've argued your way out of this one. WIFOM like that is irrefutable.
I'm going to change my vote RIGHT NOW.

Wah, wah, it's all WIFOM.
Yes it is. There is a severe lack of indisputable 100% truthfacts in my defence.
BUT.
The burden of proof is not on me, people. If it was possible to prove my role with information I supply, there would be no game of mafia. It is to you- the general public- to prove/show I am lying about my role.
Despite this, I have been kind, and charitable, and I have taken it upon myself to not only refute the arguments against me, but also provide a number of pro-me arguments. That these are not hard facts is not something I can be blamed for. None of the arguments against me are hard facts. Yet I see few people re-reading their own arguments and screaming "WIFOM". You will also notice a lack of me screaming WIFOM at people.
That is because screaming WIFOM at things is a cheap strategy. If the claimed thing is less likely to be true, you should be able to explain why, rather than just saying 'it might not be true, so I will ignore it'.



On another note:
Currently, I have three kinds of people voting for me:
-People who think I am lying scum
-People who believe that I am a survivor, but think I should die anyway.
-MBP who thinks I am the DEFCON guy (on account of being the DEFCON guy himself)
Maybe if you people get together you can explain to each other why your cases are flawed.

[Mysteriousbluepuppet]

Actually, i'm voting you becuase you are the kind of moron that say that saying ''there were no kill due to a doctor is a claim'' then arguing that it does not count if it's you doing it. Take it as a vote for being an illogical smartass, who also happen to be the Defcon.

[Urist Imiknorris]

NUKE, last night I failed to use my ability on you because I could not find you. It was not a kill. Explanation?

[NUKE9.13]

NUKE, last night I failed to use my ability on you because I could not find you. It was not a kill. Explanation?

Oh, how about that. Well, I might as well make a full claim, then.
I am Adventure Peasant. I am a survivor.
I have a 50% chance to avoid the effects of any action against me; I cannot be found due to shitty .jpg compression blurring me into the background.
I also have the ability to visit the scavenger's guild and acquire a random-one-shot item. I did so N1 and acquired a rusty helmet, which is a one-shot protect (which cannot be used on myself).
I had the one-shot ability to deploy the Uberplussed duck, which prevents all kills for a night.

Actually, i'm voting you becuase you are the kind of moron that say that saying ''there were no kill due to a doctor is a claim'' then arguing that it does not count if it's you doing it. Take it as a vote for being an illogical smartass, who also happen to be the Defcon.

...what? I'm sorry, I appreciate that you are not a native english speaker, but I really can't decipher this. Could you rephrase it?

[Dariush]

I am Adventure Peasant.
...
Uberplussed duck

That fakeclaim is not simply pathetic, it goes through being pathetic and becomes... uh... even more pathetic. I don't even have words for the fuckshitness you're spewing.

UA, get the fuck in here and tell me your read on Nuke.