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[Urist_McArathos]

Actually, same goes for everyone else.

I can see how asking one person their opinions might help you somehow. But asking everyone for their opinions on everyone all at once makes you look like you're trying too hard. So before I answer your question, answer mine:
How is this supposed to help you hunt scum?

Maybe I want some people's opinions on people who aren't the latest bandwagon.

That's not an answer.  I'm not going to give you a list of people you can either attack in turn, or try to badger me into going after them so you can hide in the aftermath.  If you don't have a REASON for making that request, it's just a stalling tactic.  Something to get everyone distracted and buy you some time to avoiding answering for your behavior until we realize (after another mislynch) we've been had.

No, not gonna happen.  If you can't answer for your behavior, you'll hang.  I'll pursue my #2 and on targets when their turn comes up.

[Orangebottle]

Maybe I want some people's opinions on people who aren't the latest bandwagon.

I just don't see how having everyone's opinion on everyone who isn't you, me, or NUKE, is going to help you hunt scum. At all.

[ECrownofFire]

Maybe I want some people's opinions on people who aren't the latest bandwagon.

I just don't see how having everyone's opinion on everyone who isn't you, me, or NUKE, is going to help you hunt scum. At all.

I don't want EVERYONE'S opinions, I specifically want the people who have yet to go after anyone but myself or NUKE.

[Orangebottle]

I don't want EVERYONE'S opinions, I specifically want the people who have yet to go after anyone but myself or NUKE.

Why didn't you ask them in the first place, instead of calling out everyone?
Why did you take the time to respond to me, but not to Arathos?

[Dariush]

I'm almost absolutely sure I was attacking Dariush because he's scummy, and not because I want to get him to back off of NUKE.

Wow, really? You are aware that the only point you ever mentioned against me is my WIFOMy argument from D2?

I was really, really angry. These things happen when I'm that angry.

Such an awesome explanation. Really, really cements your townieness in my eyes. [/sarcasm]

[Orangebottle]

-Question dodging(A single opinion, on everyone who isn't NUKE?)[He's dodged the same rephrased question three times. A very simple one, I might add.]
-Lying about previous games.(When NUKE is town...)[Here's a link to Ockham's Mafia where little of what he said happened actually happened. Centered right on NUKE's first post.]

Sure, I only ever mentioned your WIFOMy argument. Which, as I've mentioned before:

No, because I'm not trying to defend NUKE. I am attacking you for the reason you added today because I think it's scummy to use that reason.

[Jack A T]

Dariush: Why did you use Ockham's as an example for your description of NUKE's scum meta?  Explain how his behaviour in it fits each of your stated scum meta tells of his.

Because I was his scummate and thus knew he was scum from the start. To be honest, I don't remember exactly what happened apart from the fact that we bussed each other from the start and to the end and we didn't conspire to do it. Why are you so interested in that game? You were scum alongside us, you know.

Dariush: Why am I so interested in that game?  It's simple: your mention of it is quite important to Orangebottle's argument against you.  I wanted to see your discussion get somewhere, and so I tried to get you to effectively respond to the argument.  Honestly, I'm not impressed with this.  At all.

He used Ockham's as an example, where the same thing that always happens happened as far as NUKE is concerned. NUKE wasn't the one exaggerating his townmeta in that game.

Orangebottle: So...your reaction to my comment is to almost completely ignore it, and just restate a different part of your case?  That's certainly a sign of townieness.  Care to actually respond to my comment?

I was trying to explain to you why I was confused about what he said, and why I thought he was saying this=this. I need to use more words next time.

Orangebottle: So, how does Ockham's being used as an example lead to you both being confused into thinking that Dariush was basically saying NUKE's scum meta is NUKE's town meta AND you considering Dariush to be lying about NUKE's scum meta being more extreme than his town meta?

NUKE: So, would it have been better if we no lynched yesterday, failed at lynching Crown today, and finally lynched him tomorrow?  Stop acting like the loss of Crown's autorevive is the equivalent to an outright non-lynch.

[Orangebottle]

Orangebottle: So, how does Ockham's being used as an example lead to you both being confused into thinking that Dariush was basically saying NUKE's scum meta is NUKE's town meta AND you considering Dariush to be lying about NUKE's scum meta being more extreme than his town meta?

Because NUKE acted the same as he always does in OM. Dariush was the one exaggerating, which is how I caught them on it near the end.

[Jack A T]

Orangebottle: And again, how did that lead you to think that Dariush was both saying that NUKE's scum meta = NUKE's town meta AND lying about NUKE's scum meta being more extreme than his town meta?  You clearly understood his statement enough to tell that he was saying that NUKE's scum meta was more extreme than his town meta, or you wouldn't be accusing Dariush of lying.

[Orangebottle]

Orangebottle: And again, how did that lead you to think that Dariush was both saying that NUKE's scum meta = NUKE's town meta AND lying about NUKE's scum meta being more extreme than his town meta?  You clearly understood his statement enough to tell that he was saying that NUKE's scum meta was more extreme than his town meta, or you wouldn't be accusing Dariush of lying.

Let me spell it out for you:

NUKE always does something to try and end RVS as quickly as possible.  He does this regardless of whether he is scum or town. He also gets attacked by Dariush every game, and Dariush usually has some reason behind the attack. Nuke did nothing different than he would've done in Ockham's Mafia were he town. He asked everyone to flavorhunt instead of scumhunt, which immediately killed RVS as he would've hoped. He then got into a fight with Dariush that Dariush brought on himself by voting for NUKE for the absolute shittiest reasons ever(except that was a scum ploy the whole time). Everything seemed like average NUKE behavior. Dariush, however, usually has a decent reason for voting for NUKE, and usually only does it once or twice. In OM, he used the most terrible reasons he could find and voted for him five times in two days. Dariush was the one exaggerating the meta, not NUKE. Since NUKE's scummeta in OM was equivalent to his usual townmeta, using that as an example lead to my confusion regarding what he said. This also lead to the accusation of lying, because his metas are equal. NUKE is no more extreme as scum than he is as town.

[Toaster]

Vote Count:

Ottofar:
Dariush: OrangeBottle
Powder Miner:
Think0028:
OrangeBottle:
Urist Imiknorris:
Mysteriousbluepuppet:
Andrew425:
NativeForeigner:
Jack A T:
Darvi:
Urist_McArathos:
Nuke9.13: Dariush, Ottofar, NativeForeigner, ECrownofFire, Andrew425
Simple:
ECrownofFire: Jack A T, Think0028, Nuke9.13, Mysteriousbluepuppet, Darvi, Urist_McArathos

No Lynch:

Not Voting: Simple, Powder Miner, Urist Imiknorris


Day 2 will last until Monday, 12/12 at 11 PM EST, ~14 hours from now.

[NativeForeigner]

Extend

[Darvi]

Mhh yeah. Extend.

[ECrownofFire]

Bluh de blah, Extend.

[Toaster]

Two more for an extend- otherwise day ends in 3 hours.