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[Orangebottle]

You are absolutely right, dammit. You aren't attacking every point against him. You aren't even reading the cases against him, you crapfucker, you simply chainsaw the UNHOLY FUCK out of everyone who dares to accuse Nuke.

Except no, I'm fucking not. I know exactly what cases you guys have. I'm focusing on a few of your scummier points, because they're fucking scummy.

A single opinion of everyone who isn't Nuke?... weeeell, let's see... I'm pretty sure everyone here is a human who lives on Earth, speaks English, has internet connection and plays Mafia on Bay12. Next time ask more specific questions, you quarterwit.

Another fucking dodge. You know exactly what I fucking mean. Fuck you, go hang.

...I distinctly remember you saying in the very post I'm quoting right now that you're not defending him.

I'm pointing out that you're fucking lying, and there are very few reasons for a townie to lie. Especially when you're answering someone else's question you scumbucket. So, why the fuck are you lying?! There are any number of valid answers to my questions, yet you blatantly refuse to fucking answer them!

Orangebottle, you should really stop defending Nuke.
I mean, it's still somewhat valid to point out a single inconsistency, but bits like this:

Because I think trying to use a confirmed scum's wifom to lynch some unconfirmed person is pretty fucking scummy. AKA, I don't like that part of your case.

Why didn't you push NativeForeigner a bit, if you thought it was that bad.
Or anyone else for that matter. Except Dariush.

Goddamn, you be chainsawing tunneling.

Because you and Dariush have been doing the exact same thing. I'm focusing on Dariush right now because I think he's an asshole who always votes for the same person for the flimsiest of reasons. He's also deliberately pissing me off, which does nothing to help his incredibly fucking bad play.

Why would a pro-town figure have an autorevive?

This question is silly. Auto abilities don't make Crown scum.
No, his utter lack of original content does.

[Ottofar]

Chainsawing and tunneling, to correct the corrected quote.

Also, my tunneling consists of the following:
#412, where I state Nuke's probable scumhood, as well as ECOF's probable SK-ness.
#416, where I answer Jack's question.
#421, and #423 where I explain Nuke why he's scum. #423 explains lampshading also.
#427, where I explain why Lampshading is a scumtell. And answer you, by "You see, he blatantly defended and buddied him."
#434, where I tell you shouldn't defend Nuke.
#448, where I repeat the previous request.

On D1, I didn't really pay attention to him, and passed it as his usual behaviour, except the nolynch-part, but shrugged on that also.

So yeah.

[Dariush]

You are absolutely right, dammit. You aren't attacking every point against him. You aren't even reading the cases against him, you crapfucker, you simply chainsaw the UNHOLY FUCK out of everyone who dares to accuse Nuke.

Except no, I'm fucking not. I know exactly what cases you guys have. I'm focusing on a few of your scummier points, because they're fucking scummy.

Oh stop lying, you fuckshitass. Or at least do it properly. Your 'focusing' consisted of demanding my other suspects, which act obviously required hours and hours of meditation and evaluation.

Another fucking dodge. You know exactly what I fucking mean. Fuck you, go hang.

No, I don't know what you mean. Another list like Nuke's vomited up? Fuck you.

I'm pointing out that you're fucking lying, and there are very few reasons for a townie to lie. Especially when you're answering someone else's question you scumbucket. So, why the fuck are you lying?! There are any number of valid answers to my questions, yet you blatantly refuse to fucking answer them!

...What are you talking about?

[Orangebottle]

Oh stop lying, you fuckshitass. Or at least do it properly. Your 'focusing' consisted of demanding my other suspects, which act obviously required hours and hours of meditation and evaluation.

It also consisted of me pointing out that one of your reasons for voting NUKE today was incredibly scummy, and attacking you for it. Except you're too stupid to realize that.

No, I don't know what you mean. Another list like Nuke's vomited up? Fuck you.

At the very, very least, give me the top five on your scumlist. I think your pea-sized brain can handle that.

...What are you talking about?

When Nuke is town, he rants for a while about RVS, tunnels me a bit and gets to playing. When he is scum, he pointedly tries to be as jesterlike as humanly possible (check), spends whole D1 doing jackshit (check) and tunnels me to hell and back (...half check). (see Ockham's and Totem)  And now he managed to top it off by his ridiculous no-lynch plan.

I'd really like to know why you're lying out your scummy ass here, Dariush. NUKE actually promoted some useful discussion based around flavor-claims in Ockham's on day one, and didn't act like a jester at all. He only voted for you in that game because in every game you attack him without any reasons whatsoever(like you had before he voted you). And he was a scum.

[NUKE9.13]

Beasts below, people.
Calm down.
We are all sane and rational people here, right?
...ah, right. Sorry, my bad. Carry on.

Ottofar: Insofar as I can make out, this is your case against me:
-Webadict blatantly defended me. Webadict was scum. Therefore, I must be scum: Well, I've responded to this theory several times. I've shown that it- at the very least- isn't a particularly strong theory. I have yet to receive a response to my response other than- paraphrased- "Well I don't have a counter argument to that so I am just going to ignore it"
-I invented an obscure role. I asked why this was scummy. I have received no response.
-Lampshading. I asked why this was scummy. I have received no response.

You will notice that A) This isn't much of a case B) I have responded to all of these points C) You have not responded in turn.

Look, buddy. I am willing to consider that you are just an idiot, and not scum. It is a viable possibility.
You have to let folks defend themselves. And you have to listen to those defences. Otherwise, you are just shooting blindly at the first thing that moves.

Dariush: I cannot take you seriously. I get the feeling that you wouldn't change your mind about me if the mod himself came down and declared me confirmed town.

Crown, you are not exactly the best person to talk of lacking content. But whatever.
Here's some content:
Why would a pro-town figure have an autorevive?

Are you really expecting anything from an argument from flavor in a BYOR? That's pretty much the last place you go looking for flavor that makes sense.

Flavour? Flavour? Who the fudge said anything about flavour. I am talking raw mechanics here, buddy. A town figure with an autorevive just doesn't make sense. Town doesn't need autoreviving characters. Third parties, that's who needs autorevives. Gives a SK that last boost he needs. Lets the Watcher survive that one final night. Keeps a survivor ticking along.
But town doesn't need that sort of thing.

Also, YOU IGNORED THE REST OF MY POST, ECoF


There are 15 live players. 2 need replacing. 6 are voting.

Am I really expected to believe that the same people who berated me so heavily for my No Lynch policy yesterday have no interest in lynching anyone today?

[Dariush]

It also consisted of me pointing out that one of your reasons for voting NUKE today was incredibly scummy, and attacking you for it. Except you're too stupid to realize that.

And one scummy reason (in your opinion, since I don't even know which one you're talking about) is sufficient reasoning to chainsaw the UNHOLY FUCK out of Nuke. Right.

At the very, very least, give me the top five on your scumlist. I think your pea-sized brain can handle that.

Top five out of 12 living people who don't need replacing and aren't me? What for, pray tell? So you can whine 'stop attacking Nuke, go attack them instead'?

I'd really like to know why you're lying out your scummy ass here, Dariush. NUKE actually promoted some useful discussion based around flavor-claims in Ockham's on day one, and didn't act like a jester at all. He only voted for you in that game because in every game you attack him without any reasons whatsoever(like you had before he voted you). And he was a scum.

Oh... oh god. I think my brain just short-circuited. Let me see if I understand you correctly: you claim that when he was scum he [blatant lies]promoted useful discussion, voted sanely and didn't act like a jester[/blatant lies], so now when he does the exact opposite of all those things... he isn't scum?

FUCK, MY BRAIN JUST SHORT-CIRCUITED AGAIN.

[Orangebottle]

And one scummy reason (in your opinion, since I don't even know which one you're talking about) is sufficient reasoning to chainsaw the UNHOLY FUCK out of Nuke. Right.

Because I think trying to use a confirmed scum's wifom to lynch some unconfirmed person is pretty fucking scummy. AKA, I don't like that part of your case.

Top five out of 12 living people who don't need replacing and aren't me? What for, pray tell? So you can whine 'stop attacking Nuke, go attack them instead'?

So, Dariush.  Tell me, who besides NUKE are you suspicious of? I've yet to see a solid opinion on anyone else.

Oh... oh god. I think my brain just short-circuited. Let me see if I understand you correctly: you claim that when he was scum he [blatant lies]promoted useful discussion, voted sanely and didn't act like a jester[/blatant lies], so now when he does the exact opposite of all those things... he isn't scum?

FUCK, MY BRAIN JUST SHORT-CIRCUITED AGAIN.

When Nuke is town, he rants for a while about RVS, tunnels me a bit and gets to playing. When he is scum, he pointedly tries to be as jesterlike as humanly possible (check), spends whole D1 doing jackshit (check) and tunnels me to hell and back (...half check). (see Ockham's and Totem)  And now he managed to top it off by his ridiculous no-lynch plan.

I'd really like to know why you're lying out your scummy ass here, Dariush. NUKE actually promoted some useful discussion based around flavor-claims in Ockham's on day one, and didn't act like a jester at all. He only voted for you in that game because in every game you attack him without any reasons whatsoever(like you had before he voted you). And he was a scum.

Sorry, I forgot that you were an unintelligent, illiterate fuck who goes out of his way to piss me off. The lies are on your part and it's there for anyone to see: he promoted discussion(from his first post, i might add), and he voted you because you had ridiculous voting reasons(I would too). It doesn't mean he's not scum, it means you're lying and I WANT TO KNOW WHY.

[Ottofar]

-I invented an obscure role. I asked why this was scummy. I have received no response.
-Lampshading. I asked why this was scummy. I have received no response.

Obscure roles, I say it's a minor scumtell. From experience. See Totem Mafia, and Toaster.
Lampshading, also experience. Cannot really refer you to anything. I've seen it on IRC, mostly, and it's been one of the most reliable tells for me.

[Ottofar]

Also, I'm going to ignore the WIFOM entirely.

[Dariush]

shit

Lol, you just ignored the whole last part of my reply. You stick to the fact that I supposedly lied about his play last time and ignore all my replies. But well, fuck it. Let's research two possibilities:
1) I lied, you didn't. Nuke indeed was playing good when he was scum. In your second-to-last post you said that since he's doing the inverse of that, he must be the inverse of scum, ergo town. That's cretinous bullshit. Go hang.
2) You lied, I didn't. You wrongly accused me of lying. Go hang.

And about my 'scummy reason' for voting: you may notice (actually whom am I kidding, you're too stupid for that) that I've been building up my case on Nuke since D1 when Wuba was alive. You are only ever refuting the reason I added on D2. Here, I ask you in big bolded letters to dig through your thick fuckskull into your fuckbrain:
Do you disagree that Nuke has been doing nothing except jestery shit on D1? If yes, why?

[Orangebottle]

shit

Lol, you just ignored the whole last part of my reply. You stick to the fact that I supposedly lied about his play last time and ignore all my replies. But well, fuck it. Let's research two possibilities:
1) I lied, you didn't. Nuke indeed was playing good when he was scum. In your second-to-last post you said that since he's doing the inverse of that, he must be the inverse of scum, ergo town. That's cretinous bullshit. Go hang.

That's not the point I am trying to make, damnit. The point I'm trying to make is that you lied. And I. Want. To. Know.
WHY?

And about my 'scummy reason' for voting: you may notice (actually whom am I kidding, you're too stupid for that) that I've been building up my case on Nuke since D1 when Wuba was alive. You are only ever refuting the reason I added on D2. Here, I ask you in big bolded letters to dig through your thick fuckskull into your fuckbrain:
Do you disagree that Nuke has been doing nothing except jestery shit on D1? If yes, why?

No, because I'm not trying to defend NUKE. I am attacking you for the reason you added today because I think it's scummy to use that reason.

[NUKE9.13]

Obscure roles, I say it's a minor scumtell. From experience. See Totem Mafia, and Toaster.
Lampshading, also experience. Cannot really refer you to anything. I've seen it on IRC, mostly, and it's been one of the most reliable tells for me.

Thank you.
Of course, I cannot respond to this, but its better than nothing.
I still think that this doesn't amount to enough of a case to be worth lynching over, but whatever.

Also, I'm going to ignore the WIFOM entirely.

That is probably for the best.

[Darvi]

Welp, I was sure I posted here yesterday. Got a lot to read through it looks like. Just let me state something first.

Town doesn't need autoreviving characters. Third parties, that's who needs autorevives. Gives a SK that last boost he needs. Lets the Watcher survive that one final night. Keeps a survivor ticking along.
But town doesn't need that sort of thing.

Read the Simple BYOR where I had an autorevive as town; several, in fact. But it still doesn't help ECF's case because he kept hiding his auto-revive from us on D1.

[Dariush]

shit

Lol, you just ignored the whole last part of my reply. You stick to the fact that I supposedly lied about his play last time and ignore all my replies. But well, fuck it. Let's research two possibilities:
1) I lied, you didn't. Nuke indeed was playing good when he was scum. In your second-to-last post you said that since he's doing the inverse of that, he must be the inverse of scum, ergo town. That's cretinous bullshit. Go hang.

That's not the point I am trying to make, damnit. The point I'm trying to make is that you lied. And I. Want. To. Know.
WHY?

You aren't even trying. I don't care what point you're trying to make. For the second post in a row you're ignoring my point. Go fuck yourself.

[Darvi]

Can you please shut up for a moment? I can see the content through all the flames.