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[Orangebottle]

What about the original reason everybody had to vote NUKE? Do you really think that should be ignored just because there's a mess of wine involved now?

Not at all. I just don't like the part of your logic that involves the barrel of wine. The rest is valid.

OrangeBottle, uh. Defending Nuke didn't work out for webs, I think bussing him would be more viable strategy. So yeah. Feel free to vote him.

If I were defending NUKE, I would be attacking every single point against him. Instead, I'm attacking the one I really don't like because it's all based on WIFOM.
Attacking a small piece of your voting logic doesn't suddenly turn me into a scum.

[NativeForeigner]

What about the original reason everybody had to vote NUKE? Do you really think that should be ignored just because there's a mess of wine involved now?

Not at all. I just don't like the part of your logic that involves the barrel of wine. The rest is valid.

OrangeBottle, uh. Defending Nuke didn't work out for webs, I think bussing him would be more viable strategy. So yeah. Feel free to vote him.

If I were defending NUKE, I would be attacking every single point against him. Instead, I'm attacking the one I really don't like because it's all based on WIFOM.
Attacking a small piece of your voting logic doesn't suddenly turn me into a scum.

If you feel the rest is valid, then why bother attacking the one at all?

[Andrew425]

Sorry for being gone and all, I just got my licence so i've been... busy 

So lets start day 2!

ECrown: I know people have been asking this question before but why shouldn't we lynch you again?

Nuke: After your no lynch policy of yesterday did you get enough out of the night to make your idea worthwhile?

Orangebottle: You say you aren't defending Nuke so why don't you let him defend these points himself?

Ottofar: What do you think the DEFCON is about?

MBP You were close to being lynched on Day 1. How will you not be lynched today?

[Jack A T]

Dariush: Please summarize your full case against NUKE, beyond just the wine of Webadict.

Activelurking D1 away; idiotic no-lynch plan; generally being an ass; doing absolutely NOTHING on D1, since it bears repeating.

Dariush: Is this worse D1 behaviour than NUKE's usual D1 behaviour?  If so, how so?  Examples would be nice.

Andrew: What are your thoughts on the actual scumminess of people?  You posted a lot of questions, but not many opinions.

Toaster: Prod ECrownofFire, please.

[Dariush]

So, Dariush.  Tell me, who besides NUKE are you suspicious of? I've yet to see a solid opinion on anyone else.

...Is Nuke some kind of scum leader, lynching whom will kill off the entire scumteam, that already the second person vomits his guts attempting to defend him? Now I'm suspicious of you because of your idiotic defence of Nuke. As I've said elsewhere, I prefer to focus on one target at a time. Can you argue against specific points of my case against him? Or do you know something about him we don't?

PFS, more of everything later.

[NUKE9.13]

So, NUKE, what are you suspicions now?

Well, my suspicions rest partly on BASICALLY EVERYONE because this day has been as productive as bringing coals to newcastle.
But currently, I really, honestly am suspicious of Dariush- I feel he is using his 'always attack NUKE' meta to hide behind, allowing him to lurk the day away, content that his nullmeta will keep him safe. He employed a similar strategy in Occam's. Where it worked pretty much perfectly and let him scumlurk the game away.

It's a preemptive defense, and I have to agree it's kinda scummy to worry about being called on something enough to point it out and explain it away before anyone calls attention to it.  Are you so nervous about being attacked that you have to preemptively sore up any holes you see?

May I refer you to this reply

Ottofar, uh. Attacking someone for shitty reasons won't work out for... anyone, I think either providing an actual case or unvoting would be a more viable strategy.
Also, being less of a condescending ass. You aren't right, your 'case' is horrible, and you should feel bad for how you choose to play.

So lets start day 2!

3 days late, but sure, why not.

Nuke: After your no lynch policy of yesterday did you get enough out of the night to make your idea worthwhile?

Um, yes. I did. Were you not paying attention. My stance that the town has powerful roles, including investigative ones, has been proven valid. We received information about how many scum there is. We received information regarding the alignments of three players. And we didn't have to lynch(kill) anyone. Frankly, if we had, I don't think we would have gained significantly more information.

So, Dariush.  Tell me, who besides NUKE are you suspicious of? I've yet to see a solid opinion on anyone else.

...Is Nuke some kind of scum leader, lynching whom will kill off the entire scumteam, that already the second person vomits his guts attempting to defend him? Now I'm suspicious of you because of your idiotic defence of Nuke. As I've said elsewhere, I prefer to focus on one target at a time. Can you argue against specific points of my case against him? Or do you know something about him we don't?

Ok, guy, seriously.
This makes you sound like an incredible tunnelling idiot.
When you get the feeling that there is an implausible conspiracy required to maintain your case, that may be a sign that you should take a good look at said case from a neutral perspective, and re-evaluate its merits.

Jack:

What are your thoughts on the actual scumminess of people?  You posted a lot of two questions, but not many opinions.

Toaster: Whilst you are prodding ECoF, give Darvi one too. And perhaps Powder Miner as well.

[ECrownofFire]

Alright, let's do this.

First of all, I'd just like to say thank you to the people that contributed to my lynch yesterday. It really helped, didn't it? You assholes wasted my revive, thank you very much. I was trying to save it to avoid a kill, not a stupid D1 bandwagon.

Second, I've been a bit busy, and this is the first time in a while I've been able to get to a computer. So I'm going to go reread now.

[Dariush]

When you get the feeling that there is an implausible conspiracy required to maintain your case, that may be a sign that you should take a good look at said case from a neutral perspective, and re-evaluate its merits.

Implausible conspiracy? Ok, let's see: Wuba defends you like fuck, flips scum. You're managing to be even more scummy than usual. OB ignores my whole case and chainsaws your ass. Are you absolutely sure it can be considered implausible?

Dariush: Is this worse D1 behaviour than NUKE's usual D1 behaviour?  If so, how so?  Examples would be nice.

When Nuke is town, he rants for a while about RVS, tunnels me a bit and gets to playing. When he is scum, he pointedly tries to be as jesterlike as humanly possible (check), spends whole D1 doing jackshit (check) and tunnels me to hell and back (...half check). (see Ockham's and Totem)  And now he managed to top it off by his ridiculous no-lynch plan.

[Toaster]

Toaster: Whilst you are prodding ECoF, give Darvi one too. And perhaps Powder Miner as well.

ECrown posted before I could, and Powder hasn't quite hit the threshold, but Darvi has been prodded.

[ECrownofFire]

So, NUKE, what are you suspicions now?

Well, my suspicions rest partly on BASICALLY EVERYONE because this day has been as productive as bringing coals to newcastle.
But currently, I really, honestly am suspicious of Dariush- I feel he is using his 'always attack NUKE' meta to hide behind, allowing him to lurk the day away, content that his nullmeta will keep him safe. He employed a similar strategy in Occam's. Where it worked pretty much perfectly and let him scumlurk the game away.

So everyone is scum (especially Dariush) except for you, eh? Come on, NUKE. Get some actual content out there. Dariush and only Dariush doesn't count.

Dariush: Is this worse D1 behaviour than NUKE's usual D1 behaviour?  If so, how so?  Examples would be nice.

When Nuke is town, he rants for a while about RVS, tunnels me a bit and gets to playing. When he is scum, he pointedly tries to be as jesterlike as humanly possible (check), spends whole D1 doing jackshit (check) and tunnels me to hell and back (...half check). (see Ockham's and Totem)  And now he managed to top it off by his ridiculous no-lynch plan.

Funny how both of you are using Ockham's to attack each other, seeing as you were both scum in it.

Do you have any suspicions, or are you just going to sit there tossing a few questions around?

[Orangebottle]

If you feel the rest is valid, then why bother attacking the one at all?

Because I think trying to use a confirmed scum's wifom to lynch some unconfirmed person is pretty fucking scummy. AKA, I don't like that part of your case.

Orangebottle: You say you aren't defending Nuke so why don't you let him defend these points himself?

Because I am expressing my opinion that i don't like that part of the case.
If I seem a little angry right now, it's because Dariush deliberately dodged my fucking question.

...Is Nuke some kind of scum leader, lynching whom will kill off the entire scumteam, that already the second person vomits his guts attempting to defend him? Now I'm suspicious of you because of your idiotic defence of Nuke. As I've said elsewhere, I prefer to focus on one target at a time. Can you argue against specific points of my case against him? Or do you know something about him we don't?

I'm not defending NUKE you sack of shit. As I said before(but no, the high-and-mighty Dariush can't be bothered to actually read my fucking posts), if I were defending NUKE I would attack every point against him. Which is exactly what you want me to do. Why the flying fuck are you trying to get me to actually defend NUKE?

You never fully answered my fucking question, so let me rephrase it.
What do you think about everyone who isn't NUKE?

When Nuke is town, he rants for a while about RVS, tunnels me a bit and gets to playing. When he is scum, he pointedly tries to be as jesterlike as humanly possible (check), spends whole D1 doing jackshit (check) and tunnels me to hell and back (...half check). (see Ockham's and Totem)  And now he managed to top it off by his ridiculous no-lynch plan.

I'd really like to know why you're lying out your scummy ass here, Dariush. NUKE actually promoted some useful discussion based around flavor-claims in Ockham's on day one, and didn't act like a jester at all. He only voted for you in that game because in every game you attack him without any reasons whatsoever(like you had before he voted you). And he was a scum.

There's also the fact that both of your answers are basically equal. It's like going up to a tree and saying,"Hurr, this bark is brown, but this over here is a lighter brown." It's still fucking brown!
Likewise, you basically just said,"Hurr, NUKE's townmeta = NUKE's scummeta."

Alright, let's do this.

First of all, I'd just like to say thank you to the people that contributed to my lynch yesterday. It really helped, didn't it? You assholes wasted my revive, thank you very much. I was trying to save it to avoid a kill, not a stupid D1 bandwagon.

Second, I've been a bit busy, and this is the first time in a while I've been able to get to a computer. So I'm going to go reread now.

Why didn't you claim before you were fucking lynched?

[NUKE9.13]

Crown, you are not exactly the best person to talk of lacking content. But whatever.
Here's some content:
Why would a pro-town figure have an autorevive?

My suspicions of Dariush are legit, I am not just saying that he is scum because of some meta joke.

Your vote on me smacks of bandwagoning. Loads of people lack content. In fact, I would argue that loads of people have provided less content than me today. What, aside from all the votes already on me, sets me apart?

And finally, your latest post comes down to a vote on me for at best minor reasons, a silly comment, and one question which has already been asked.
You have berated me for a perceived lack of content.
The hypocrisy is palpable.

[Dariush]

I'm not defending NUKE you sack of shit. As I said before(but no, the high-and-mighty Dariush can't be bothered to actually read my fucking posts), if I were defending NUKE I would attack every point against him. Which is exactly what you want me to do. Why the flying fuck are you trying to get me to actually defend NUKE?

You are absolutely right, dammit. You aren't attacking every point against him. You aren't even reading the cases against him, you crapfucker, you simply chainsaw the UNHOLY FUCK out of everyone who dares to accuse Nuke.

You never fully answered my fucking question, so let me rephrase it.
What do you think about everyone who isn't NUKE?

A single opinion of everyone who isn't Nuke?... weeeell, let's see... I'm pretty sure everyone here is a human who lives on Earth, speaks English, has internet connection and plays Mafia on Bay12. Next time ask more specific questions, you quarterwit.

I'd really like to know why you're lying out your scummy ass here, Dariush. NUKE actually promoted some useful discussion based around flavor-claims in Ockham's on day one, and didn't act like a jester at all. He only voted for you in that game because in every game you attack him without any reasons whatsoever(like you had before he voted you). And he was a scum.

...I distinctly remember you saying in the very post I'm quoting right now that you're not defending him.

There's also the fact that both of your answers are basically equal. It's like going up to a tree and saying,"Hurr, this bark is brown, but this over here is a lighter brown." It's still fucking brown!

I can't remember myself making readlist on people that contained the line 'webadict is being webadict' or something to that effect. The same can't be said about Nuke. And before you start whining, that was just a nifty short summary of everything Nuke has done on D1.

Likewise, you basically just said,"Hurr, NUKE's townmeta = NUKE's scummeta."

No, I didn't. Learn to read, you goatassfucker.

Why would a pro-town figure have an autorevive?

Are you having some kind of competition with yourself in outdoing your own stupidfuckassshitness?

[Ottofar]

Orangebottle, you should really stop defending Nuke.
I mean, it's still somewhat valid to point out a single inconsistency, but bits like this:

Because I think trying to use a confirmed scum's wifom to lynch some unconfirmed person is pretty fucking scummy. AKA, I don't like that part of your case.

Why didn't you push NativeForeigner a bit, if you thought it was that bad.
Or anyone else for that matter. Except Dariush.

Goddamn, you be chainsawing.

ECoF, what do you think of OB defending Nuke?

Oh Hi Dariush.

[ECrownofFire]

Crown, you are not exactly the best person to talk of lacking content. But whatever.
Here's some content:
Why would a pro-town figure have an autorevive?

Are you really expecting anything from an argument from flavor in a BYOR? That's pretty much the last place you go looking for flavor that makes sense.

ECoF, what do you think of OB defending Nuke?

Not so much defending NUKE as chainsawing. But that it is a defense, so... Anyway, it's pretty fucking ridiculous. Actually, this whole thing is ridiculous, using WIFOM against WIFOM against WIFOM.